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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stock on BBC Politics live

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MrsSlocombesPussy · 13/10/2021 12:34

They are going to be covering this on Politics Live

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Manderleyagain · 13/10/2021 16:38

I also want to add - if you think its worth a complaint then do. On the womems hour thread someone who worked at the BBC said that if you keep at it and escalate it can make a difference, a record is kept, and the new dg is changing things.

I've looked up the Cambridge bloke. Prof David runciman. He was head of the politics department st Cambridge for a while. The fact that ppl like that won't dare discuss this really illustrates the problem.

MoltenLasagne · 13/10/2021 17:43

Why the hell are people not challenged on blatant lies on the BBC? It's not just this, I've noticed it on news programmes too. It's as though facts (or at least fact checking) is completely out of fashion.

I thought journalism 101 is, if one person says it's raining and another says it isn't, you don't quote them both, you stick your head out the window to verify yourself.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 13/10/2021 17:54

Isn’t it mandatory to just call them ‘crapita’ these days?

EdgeOfTheSky · 13/10/2021 18:06

Professor Stock’s words, from her book: “Trans people are trans people. We should get over it. They deserve to be safe, to be visible throughout society without shame or stigma, and to have exactly the life opportunities non-trans people do”

Doesn’t sound like ‘elimination’ to me.

StillWeRise · 13/10/2021 20:26

[quote Manderleyagain]They can't point to any of her own words to back up the campaign against her, so the current tack is to say she signed the declaration by whrc and is a trustee of lgba.

The bit of the declaration amelia most objects to must be this
the elimination of that act and practice of discrimination against women which comprises the inclusion of men who claim to have a female ‘gender identity’ in the category of women. Such inclusion erodes women’s rights to safety, dignity and equality.^

She termed this as eliminating trans people in law. If our government followed this then I guess it would mean repealing the gra (which i dont support as it happens) but it would not mean repealing the protection for ppl with the pc if gender reassignment, or the elimination of trans people as a category in law. It would stop trans women being subsumed into the category of woman in law.

This is the basic problem though. It seems plain and obvious to me that if you change the concept of woman to mean 'feminine identified person', 'person who adopts the social role of woman' or 'person who feels like a woman' then you further entrench the type of sexist assumptions about what the sexes do, think, feel, what role they can occupy in life & how they shld behave. But to ppl with this belief system that is transphobic and threatens how they see themselves. So then is becomes impossible to work out together how to provide what trans ppl and women (and everyone) need without doing that, because there's no shared language or shared starting point.

This is by a tra and explains what they find so wrong about the declaration for anyone interested.
chican3ry.medium.com/the-whrc-declaration-explained-part-1-5ded6522aa33?sk=2748953b335719703763468e0ab3aaa8[/quote]
I just read that linked article, it really made my head hurt- is that person's first language English?
I'd lkie to know his evidence for saying HBE is anti semetic.

BraveBananaBadge · 14/10/2021 20:26

An apology to Prof Stock on the programme today:

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1448628911592640512?s=20

EdgeOfTheSky · 14/10/2021 20:56

[quote BraveBananaBadge]An apology to Prof Stock on the programme today:

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1448628911592640512?s=20[/quote]
Good!

And may that student hang her head in shame, and retreat to Google the meaning of ‘research’.

EdgeOfTheSky · 14/10/2021 20:59

Also, very pleased to see that Professor Stock is continuing to stand strong and on the right side of truth and accuracy.

I hope she is very well supported behind the scenes, emotionally, with a lawyer, etc.

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