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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Any Questions now

90 replies

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 08/10/2021 20:39

Question about Prof Stock case.

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KimThomas · 08/10/2021 21:42

People might want to call Any Answers tomorrow and take issue with Jess’s comments.

nauticant · 08/10/2021 21:47

No, there were so many strands in the misogyny discussion many things went unchallenged. To give you an example of the depth of her analysis, in the past people didn't contact their friends before setting off home and then letting them know they'd arrived home safely. Also, these days, women have to walk about with their keys held in their hands as an improved weapon.

AssassinatedBeauty · 08/10/2021 21:48

She must have a degree in Making Stuff Up.

nauticant · 08/10/2021 21:48

She's studying for her Masters in OwenJonesology.

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 08/10/2021 21:49

She must have got her degree from Veronica Ivy

catzwhiskas · 08/10/2021 22:01

And still there was a back chant of “ but tw ARE women” which Malakes any exclusion of males seem completely outlandish. I just wish that someone would ask the question , How so?

catzwhiskas · 08/10/2021 22:02

Makes...

NotBadConsidering · 08/10/2021 22:08

Nobel Peace prize awarded this week to two people for protecting the idea of freedom of expression. Did anyone mention that?

Eucalyptustrees · 08/10/2021 22:26

Caroline Flint was very t**fy in that. I imagine they are cancelling her already.

Imnobody4 · 08/10/2021 22:27

Maybe something really is going on at the BBC. Nothing like this would have been broadcast just a few months ago.

HollowTalk · 08/10/2021 22:28

@MaMaLa321

chair of young labour. and all round nit wit
Smile Really isn't a surprise.
frumpety · 08/10/2021 22:35

Nobel Peace prize awarded this week to two people for protecting the idea of freedom of expression. Did anyone mention that?

Fantastic point !

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/10/2021 23:01

How to get in touch for Any Answers
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3vtcXXpPWV3xLcHhvj6lmbN/contact-any-questions

KittenKong · 08/10/2021 23:04

God I wish More or Less would do a slot on the suicide stats once and for all.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/10/2021 23:05

This is what Jess Barnard said when she was allowed to comment again at the end of the discussion:

"If anyone came into our spaces and was debating our rights, the right for us to exist and for spaces in which we feel safe, then I think that we would be pushing back in the same way that trans people and their allies are today. I think we would all feel very angry if people were trying to take away our rights."

If there was ever a case of being unable to see the wood for the trees, this would be it. Hilarious and unbelievably frustrating in equal measure.

KittenKong · 08/10/2021 23:11

Is she just not very bright?

LobsterNapkin · 08/10/2021 23:11

@nauticant

Earlier in the programme Jess Barnard said that the 1970s were better for women's rights and their safety than the current day. She's a great one for having opinions on things she's wholly ignorant about.
What did she mean by that?
KittenKong · 08/10/2021 23:15

Because women didn’t have to worry their silly little heads about getting a sole mortgage, keeping a job after getting pregnant, and hey, marital rape just didn’t happen!

ShadesOfMagenta · 08/10/2021 23:32

Jess Bernard said:

“Trans women are often subject to huge amounts of violence - domestic violence - one of the groups most likely to be targeted by domestic violence”

WTF

Utter nonsense.

BaronMunchausen · 08/10/2021 23:32

@PaleBlueMoonlight

This is what Jess Barnard said when she was allowed to comment again at the end of the discussion:

"If anyone came into our spaces and was debating our rights, the right for us to exist and for spaces in which we feel safe, then I think that we would be pushing back in the same way that trans people and their allies are today. I think we would all feel very angry if people were trying to take away our rights."

If there was ever a case of being unable to see the wood for the trees, this would be it. Hilarious and unbelievably frustrating in equal measure.

That's so spot-on, applied to women.

Is there anything we can learn from TRA tactics??

LobsterNapkin · 08/10/2021 23:35

@KittenKong

Because women didn’t have to worry their silly little heads about getting a sole mortgage, keeping a job after getting pregnant, and hey, marital rape just didn’t happen!
Yes, it's a strange comment obviously, but I imagine she must have had some idea in her head that seemed plausible to her. I'm really curious as to what she was thinking.
Enough4me · 08/10/2021 23:37

TRA tactics...constantly play the victim, try gaslighting and DARVO. If that doesn't work trot out lines about suicide.

nauticant · 08/10/2021 23:57

Before people get too comfortable about having Caroline Flint on their side, as I recall it, one of her answers used the reasoning that woman are to transwomen as white women are to black women.

daringdoris · 09/10/2021 01:23

How to get in touch for Any Answers
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3vtcXXpPWV3xLcHhvj6lmbN/contact-any-questions

Have done so. I'm a bit tipsy though so hopefully I made some sense... Grin

NiceGerbil · 09/10/2021 02:45

Eh what????

'"If anyone came into our spaces and was debating our rights, the right for us to exist and for spaces in which we feel safe, then I think that we would be pushing back in the same way that trans people and their allies are today. I think we would all feel very angry if people were trying to take away our rights."'

Seriously??

Did she understand what she said?

Because in saying that transpeople and allies are fighting back against others who have come into their spaces and are trying to take away their rights.

That means that all the single sex things that were female in the past.

Have actually always been trans spaces?

And that women are pushing their way into the trans spaces and want to remove their rights to those spaces?

Yes? I mean I've read it 4 times and I can't see another meaning.

So in that one statement.

The whole fight to get single sex spaces is gone. The lobbying, fundraising, arguing, volunteering everything women did. They were always trans spaces and it's women demanding entry?

Single sex prisons have been in place for a long time. They were always for trans people? Women are shouldering their way in when women's prisons were never meant for us at all?

She doesn't know what the fuck is coming out of her mouth. Jesus.

Unless anyone else can give a more reasonable interpretation?