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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TRA demos outside Guardian

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Shedbuilder · 08/10/2021 13:00

It had to happen, didn't it? Apparently for the last three weeks TRAs have been picketing the Guardian because of its transphobia. Pink News is reporting on it:

twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1446153397133000713

I note that one of the pictures shows a placard saying 'Leave us alone'. Absolutely — and you leave us alone, eh?

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NiceGerbil · 11/10/2021 23:04

And it's not at all subtle. There's not even a slight pretence that it's not all targeting women.

Mentions of trans men? Only when it helps the argument.

Changes to language about men? Nope.

Response to men who say no Vs women? Totally different.

Bizarre claims made with seemingly no qualms.
Eg

Lifelong lesbian lefty activists have suddenly become extreme right bigots.

Violent men who attack T people (and gay lesbian etc) are doing it because they listen to feminists of the old school.

Old school lefty women want a whole section of society to be killed. Because they are wedded to traditional roles so much that they want anyone who does not comply exterminated.

I mean FGS. It's so utterly silly. And plenty love it because feminists of that type have been disliked/ hated for decades. In fact any women who want a better deal for women are difficult and loathsome.

This movement taps beautifully into the deep misogny that has always been lurking.

NCBlossom · 11/10/2021 23:17

Agreed, this is what stands out for me about the Guardian, which was writing about male violence (to the poor woman murdered).

I would have thought that for trans people, the ones I have heard talk about terrible things that have happened because of being trans, have exclusively talked about male violence towards them.

So why aren’t we all pulling together against male violence? What is it that draws trans women mostly to target women? Psychologically I do wonder what is going on.

NiceGerbil · 11/10/2021 23:52

It's because it's about male dominance. Reaction to women having got too much now. And still wanting more.

More media inches given to us. Saying things that many men find unpalatable. Growing feelings of resentment, wanting to remind us who is in charge.

Women only stuff has irritated certain types of men for ages. And over the last few decades they feel that we have invaded THEIR spaces. Things that were traditionally (not legally) wholly or predominantly male domain.

Women are bloody everywhere now. Why should they have their own stuff as well as everything else?

The loudest activists seem to be mainly male and not trans.

It's nothing to do with actual trans people. Who are being manipulated and used, generally, I would say.

Constantly told they are at massive risk. That they are hated. I have no doubt there is discrimination and violence (male).

But if you look, there is no (that I have seen) action about any of that.

I read a study by a trans group the other day. Methodology rubbish getting the data.

Point is that raised a lot of points like high levels of homelessness, MH issues and etc.

There were NO actions for that org, or recommendations for wider trans support orgs to address any of it. The actions were all to get OTHERS to do stuff. And IIRC they didn't even mention the homelessness stats in the actions.

And this is the pattern over and over.

People who are vulnerable generally being used to push for things that do nothing to address actual issues.

Those pushing hard are IMO a mixture of... Probably best not say. Maybe put like this.

Those who prioritise access to single sex spaces
Those who feel that women saying no is outrageous
Those who think women and girls have too much and want to change that
Those who feel that reminding who is dominant in society is a fun hobby

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 12/10/2021 00:50

Sorry, I’m laughing too hard to type a coherent response…

Babdoc, you are a bad person.

Grin
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