The queering of famous female feminists

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My attention has been drawn to this site:

www.etsy.com/uk/shop/RowanFrewinArt

where images of well-known lesbians and feminists such as Tove Jansson, Audre Lord, Anne Lister, Vita Sackville-West are being sold as 'queer' and 'intersectional.

The same person also produces a potted trans history, rewriting myths and history to make lesbians trans and queer.

If you had any doubt that lesbians are being written out of history and recreated as trans you can see what's happening here. Absolutely no apparent awareness of how this is cultural appropriation.

How dare they trans someone like Audre Lorde, a woman whose life and artistic output were entirely dedicated to fighting misogyny, homophobia and racism?

Honestly, for a lot of these people, especially younger ones, they don't differentiate being a lesbian or a feminist or GNC from being queer. That's the lens they have, so that's what they see.

They can see deadnaming easily enough.

I've said this before but does anyone else think it feels like a secular and even more widespread version of the baptism of the dead?

www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/ritesrituals/baptismdead.shtml

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]I've said this before but does anyone else think it feels like a secular and even more widespread version of the baptism of the dead?

www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/ritesrituals/baptismdead.shtml[/quote]
Just looked that up. Horrified at the thought that I could be transed or mormonised after my death.

I know I'm missing the point of this post, but I'm shocked anyone would pay good money for that "art"!

I suppose it's entirely possible Anne Lister might have been described, unkindly, as 'queer' in her own time ... in the old 'nowt as queer as folk' meaning of her native Yorkshire. can't imagine she'd be particularly pleased to be 'celebrated' in lurid pink.

Blog post that explores the idea of transing the dead as an extension of baptism of the dead: williamaferguson.substack.com/p/trans-out-your-dead

That's a particular horrible example and the author correctly identifies that one enthusiastic baptiser of the dead describes Turing as "one of the first Gay men to go on estrogen"

Turing was given DES as a form of chemical castration - and that was presented as an option to imprisonment.

Alan was prosecuted under the Labouchere Amendment of 1855, a law that made homosexuality (“gross indecency”) a crime. In an arranged plea deal, Alan accepted chemical castration by way of Diethylstilbestrol (DES) in lieu of prison and upon conviction he was stripped of all security clearances and forbidden entry into the United States.

The ignorance and indifference to the reality of history is breathtaking.

Bloody hell.

Apologies for introducing a male gay icon, OP but I've only just read that piece and it was interesting to find someone else who thinks the same way about the retrospective queering of major figures.

I don't know when the people responsible for such appropriation will realise that they're erasing lesbian history and feminist history. Or, if they do know (bar the truly ignorant) and they're indifferent because it serves an agenda.

@GCmiddle

I know I'm missing the point of this post, but I'm shocked anyone would pay good money for that "art"!

I thought you were being snarky, then I clicked through.

Omg.

It's simple.

For a believer. What's is said about mysterious internal gender. In the end it's always about sex stereotypes, gender roles etc.

In the olden days. Even 70s 80s etc. Everyone was in their correct sex gender role. Then the trans revolution to free everyone!

In ye olden days women were feminine and men were masculine.

Women were feeble and fainty and didn't work and would never and could never do things like. Discoveries science bravery etc. That was what the men did then.

Therefore.

Anyone in history who was female and stepped outside feminine role. In any way. By wearing trousers, doing science, fighting the establishment, going into battle... Etc... And of course. Having relationships with women.

Logically must have been trans. A trans man.

Makes perfect sense, right?

Read similar about Pauli Murray on Twitter yesterday. To be fair, what I read was an article opposing another article that had called for they/them pronouns to be used and even - in one ridiculous piece - the pronouns he/him used. Astounding.

@GCmiddle

I know I'm missing the point of this post, but I'm shocked anyone would pay good money for that "art"!

It's ugly, isn't it? The colours are eye-bleeding.

He/she/they also has a comic about "people who menstruate" - do people actually buy this shit?

thevelvetchronicle.com/grave-robbers-declare-pauli-murray-was-not-a-woman/

I feel like this should come with a blood pressure warning.

I think that was the article you meant Rockhopper81?

@TheMarzipanDildo

Yep, that's the one. And yes, definitely should've come with a blood pressure warning!

@GCmiddle

I know I'm missing the point of this post, but I'm shocked anyone would pay good money for that "art"!

I know.

The state of this.

Is Rowan Frewin actually still in Year 10?

I just don't understand? seriously I am 55 and it's just got beyond me.
The art is hideous. .I wouldn't buy it even if I understood it. my dd year 8 does much better art

It's just a con to make money from the gullibly pretentious - surely??

Leaving aside the quality, is the shop owner really claiming that specific individual women in the pictures were trans?

I can't tell what's in the zines, beyond the sample pages (which may be slanderous and possibly plagiarised) but all I see about the shop in general and the risographs is that the author particularly likes to portray "queer women". (Which could mean anything, given that your average self-identified "queer" is now a heterosexual white middle class man who likes lesbian porn.)

Anne Lister made it very clear that she hated and was offended by the word "queer" and that she hated being mistaken for a man and was self-conscious about being perceived as masculine by her lovers and socially, even though she had to take on some stereotypically masculine traits and some roles legally restricted mainly to men in order to function in 1840s England without a husband, father, or brother. The objection to "queer" even managed to be featured as a rant at Ann Walker in the "Gentleman Jack" miniseries. I always find it thoughtless and ignorant when she's included in "queer literature", etc. lists.

But I don't see that this vendor specifically targets Lister or any other individual as "queer" or as trans or lesbian. Am I missing something?

I was listening to Stephen Fry's Victorian Secrets earlier. In the episode 'woman to woman' he posits that Anne Lister's business acumen and preference for trousers may be clues that she had a "male identity". I just don't have the words!

@GoodieMoomin

I was listening to Stephen Fry's Victorian Secrets earlier. In the episode 'woman to woman' he posits that Anne Lister's business acumen and preference for trousers may be clues that she had a "male identity". I just don't have the words!

Oh ffs!