Police officer in Couzens' unit charged with rape

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I wonder how many more will come to light?

@Babdoc

I think part of the problem with recruiting is that the job only really appeals to two groups of people. A job where you are on the front line, are at risk of being stabbed, shot, beaten up etc, is not a first choice for most of us. You need either a strong sense of public duty, a wish to protect the weak and bring offenders to justice - or you need to be on a power trip, seeking the status and position from which to abuse victims. Sadly, the latter are a not insignificant minority. And weeding them out at interview is not easy.

Yes. And the latter group is likely to include people with the sort of 'psychopathic' personalities who often do very well in organisations.

You need either a strong sense of public duty, a wish to protect the weak and bring offenders to justice - or you need to be on a power trip, seeking the status and position from which to abuse victims.

Bang on @Babdoc.
Power is inherent in being a police officer (in a way that it isn't in nursing, for instance).
That is attractive to many- particularly people with a weak sense of self, or who rely on power over others for their own self-esteem.

It is a small journey from wanting to "protect the weak" to feeling disillusioned by the lack of status/respect for your "sacrifice" to then going on a power trip.

What is required is, a lot more weeding out at entry level, and a lot more monitoring of front line staff, by insightful, emotionally intelligent supervisors.
That's true whether you are talking about the Met, Army, prison officers, medicine, Church etc etc.

@NiceGerbil

Oh what a shocker.

Also, well I never.

The met? Surely not.

Was he in the watsapp group couzens was in?

Incidentally news recently said over 700 officers reported by public for sexual misconduct/ various levels of sexual assault.

These are often filled. If looked into takes ages. If guilty usually reprimanded/ training/ sack. Rarely prosecuted (IE the met don't bother with the fact it was a crime).

The met are appalling. Have been for decades.

Sapphire
Warboys
Reid
Black men strangely die disproportionately during police contact
Illegal phone tapping.
Murdering and covering up
Corruption
And there is much much more

They are worse than useless. And dick needs to go. This is about the 5th major fuckup she's presided over. She was in charge of the operation when menezes was murdered and the police LIED about what he was doing to try and get away with it.

She should have gone years ago. I mean Lying about that is just.. Same with Ian Tomlinson. Murdered. They lied. Only got caught when phone footage came out.

They are abysmal, criminal, dangerous. And that's how loads of Londoners see them.

And Bob Lambert was one of theirs and don't forget the attempted cover up after the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes.

@highame

All of our public services are highly unionised. Unions defend even the indefensible and therefore employers tend not to go down the route of disciplining. The Unions are also macho masculine, even with (very few) women in top jobs.

There's no police union. They're not allowed to strike. There's a police federation, but it isn't a trade union.

@FionaMacCool

You need either a strong sense of public duty, a wish to protect the weak and bring offenders to justice - or you need to be on a power trip, seeking the status and position from which to abuse victims.

Bang on @Babdoc.
Power is inherent in being a police officer (in a way that it isn't in nursing, for instance).
That is attractive to many- particularly people with a weak sense of self, or who rely on power over others for their own self-esteem.

It is a small journey from wanting to "protect the weak" to feeling disillusioned by the lack of status/respect for your "sacrifice" to then going on a power trip.

What is required is, a lot more weeding out at entry level, and a lot more monitoring of front line staff, by insightful, emotionally intelligent supervisors.
That's true whether you are talking about the Met, Army, prison officers, medicine, Church etc etc.

Agreed that was why I suggested making it more desirable to regular people. There are plenty of hardworking committed people in the private sector who also do fairly dangerous jobs but like having things like health and safety laws, unions, and holiday days that can't be cancelled at the last minute, as well as luxuries like proper management, toilets etc. I think a lot of the people with a sense of public duty are put off by the conditions. I wouldn't do it, and I already work shifts etc. You won't get "insightful, emotionally intelligent supervisors" when longer serving officers treat newer ones like public school "fags" or the Russian "Dedovshchina" bollocks. The police need to be professionalised, as much as they hate graduate entrants or direct entry Inspectors they need to act like a normal employer, and that means disciplining staff, and treating them like humans too. People I know who've worked in the Ambulance Service, for example, have the same problems with hours and shifts and facilities but there's nothing like the mismanagement and the rampant bullying.

@DrBlackbird

I saw that and wondered if it would be mentioned here. Charged tonight for an assault that happened September last year … why a year delay in charging him? This will do nothing to reassure women that the police are there to protect us.

I agree with all the other criticisms of the Met on this thread, but the delay is not their fault. The victim has only just gone to the police.

Gottalife-

And Ian Tomlinson. Fucking bastards. Loads of met took their ID off and covered their faces to police that protest.
He was just trying to get home, his usual routes were blocked by police cordons.
He was KILLED by police officers for doing NOTHING. he was just trying to walk home.

They LIED AND LIED. Fed the media stories about how he was an alcoholic who was violent. A dangerous person. A threat.

Widely reported. Massive distress for family because he was not like that. He was an alcoholic. He was not aggressive violent. To the point that the police had no option but to physically react.

He was just wandering about. And a met officer just assaulted him. And the others watched. And he died.

We only know the truth because couple weeks later phone vid footage came out.

The POLICE did that.

The met as a whole. Cannot be trusted. Many Londoners feel anxiety, fear when they see police.

And that's been true for decades.

They are... In the end they behave like the criminals they are supposed to be after.

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DrBlackbird

I saw that and wondered if it would be mentioned here. Charged tonight for an assault that happened September last year … why a year delay in charging him? This will do nothing to reassure women that the police are there to protect us.

I agree with all the other criticisms of the Met on this thread, but the delay is not their fault. The victim has only just gone to the police.'

In the news recently. 700+ met officers I think it was. Reported by public for sexual misconduct/ assault.

The vast majority of these reports result in... Well they're ignored. If looked at. Can take years. Most likely result if find guilty (tribunal). Reprimand. Training. Charged? Very very very rare.

Patsy Stevenson a 28yr old woman photographed being arrested at Sarah Everards vigil had this happen afterwards…

Stevenson was handcuffed and later fined. She is suing the Met over her treatment. She told the BBC about 50 police officers and security guards had liked her profile on Tinder: “They were all in uniform on their profiles or it said ‘I’m a police officer’

They went to the effort to track her down online. Terrifying is not the word.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/06/fifty-police-officers-contacted-woman-arrested-at-sarah-everard-vigil-on-tinder