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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Exploiting Jack the Ripper’s victims again…

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NitroNine · 03/10/2021 11:51

This time it is Dinner & Dissection offering the chance to “Walk the smokey streets of Victorian Whitechapel as we delve into the world of Jack the Ripper” as part of an evening exploring the “fascinating stories of the Victorian Greats and how they contributed to the advancement of human anatomy”.

They’ve opted to pad out their already-grim Dissect A Replica Joseph Merrick! event with this pseudo living history “bit” featuring Jack the Ripper; Burke & Hare (plus Robert Knox); Henry Gray; Charles Darwin; & apparently you get to meet “The Elephant Man” before later dissecting a replica of him, too.

The additions are in response to protests [started] by people with disabilities [& their families] that have also necessitated a change of venue. It does seem as if making the event bigger - & adding dates across the country - is a big fuck you to the protesters.

Alarmingly, attendance at the event can be used as (anatomy & physiology) CPD by healthcare professionals. Someone who wants to align with the view that Jack the Ripper should be celebrated for contributing to A&P (indeed ditto Burke & Hare) rather than condemned to the historical dustbin marked “murdering bastards” is not an HCP I want anywhere near me.

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GoodieMoomin · 03/10/2021 12:07

Anyone interested in Jack the ripper would be better off reading The Five. A thoughtful, compassionate and brilliantly researched account of the lives of the women he murdered.

www.hive.co.uk/Product/Hallie-Rubenhold/The-Five--The-Untold-Lives-of-the-Women-Killed-by-Jack-the-Ripper/24449565

FunnyInjury · 03/10/2021 12:14

See I think it sounds shit, but I dont think its exploitation (any more) but grim history.

No one alive has any living memory of these events so I cant get upset from that POV.

I get annoyed with all the TV dramas 'glamourising' the killers/rapists from recent times but at some point events become historical and I think documenting/dramatising them is ok tbh.

TheMarzipanDildo · 03/10/2021 13:30

Sounds quite fucked up. At least you wouldn’t be dissecting his victims I suppose.

I think I’d like to read that book about the women who were killed, but I suspect it would traumatise me.

learieonthewildmoor · 03/10/2021 19:07

What are the figures on the numbers of murders of women - 2 a week in the UK? But the media usually only tells a few of those stories?
The Whitechapel murders are exactly like that. When you read about Whitechapel in 1888 you find out men like to argue about whether up to 13 women were killed by the man they got a thrill from calling the Ripper. Then you read something like 40 women were murdered that year by unknown killers.
I wish Rubenhold’s book didn’t mention the Ripper at all. It’s a great insight into how poor women lived.

AsTreesWalking · 04/10/2021 07:16

I can't understand people who want to glorify the evil deeds of murderers. Yuck.
On the other hand, The Five is an absolutely brilliant piece of historical research. It is completely centered on the women and their lives. Its very sad - they all fell out of society for various reasons, and their poverty and homelessness left them vulnerable. There's very little about the murderer in the book. I recommend it to everyone I know.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/10/2021 07:24

Totally agree The Five is a wonderful book. I don’t think you will find it distressing, though they are sad stories.

MrsScrubbingbrush · 04/10/2021 08:00

Another vote for The Five. I bought a copy for DD2 who is studying GCSE History & part of the syllabus covers the Whitechapel murders. Sadly schools are still teaching that all his victims were prostitutes and this book portrays them as women who have fallen on hard times & often had to sleep rough.

NitroNine · 06/10/2021 06:17

Um, @MNHQ, why exactly has this been moved from the Feminism Chat section into the Sex and Gender Discussions sub-section please?

GoodieMoomin The Five is excellent, isn’t it (thank you for recommending it to people, I was too cross to think to).

FunnyInjury
Proper academic research & associated publishing on literally all topics is vital; & well-done popular history is, in its own way, just as important. The problem is that so much of the latter isn’t well done - & when it comes to figures like Jack the Ripper even now there is a huge degree of sensationalism at the expense of the dignity of the victims. People quite literally don’t know who Jack was (so how can the people at this event “meet” him?) but it’s also rare for people to know who Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Polly Eddowes & Mary Jane Kelly were. Whether or not they know names, most people think they were prostitutes - there’s no evidence at all three of the five were anything other than homeless women murdered as they slept on the streets as they often did when unable to afford a lodging house. This is just yet another crass cashing-in: a pseudo-intellectual version of something like London Dungeons.

TheMarzipanDildo
There is at least that - and I have a truly dreadful suspicion that a lot of people would choose to if the event organisers were to give them the option. And not just because they might have already seen (as in studied, not just had a glimpse of) Joseph Merrick’s skeleton.

learieonthewildmoor
Oof yes there is absolutely a sex imbalance when it comes to so-called “Ripperologists”isn’t there? Including the people who run the walking tours in Whitechapel - & everyone behind that awful bait-&-switch museum was male IIRC. Femicide being seen as practically death by natural causes amongst a certain sort of woman was so painfully widespread - the level of Othering by class (even before reaching Rough vs Respectable and then The Truly Criminal & Fallen Women) was staggering. One of the starkest examples was probably the Commons debates on VAWG that framed the need for some kind of DV laws in terms of brutish working class men rolling out of pubs (having drunk all the housekeeping money) and, on staggering home, battering their wives and children.

AsTreesWalking
The mercifully-now-defunct bait-and-switch Ripper museum produced all sorts of tourist tat like rubbers & pens etc. I find it a wee bit odd the Titanic in Belfast has quite the range it does (eg surprisingly jolly children’s clothes & stationery; rubber ducks; food) but odd rather than anything like that kind of awful. Then of course you have the owner of Jack The Chipper outraged at being boycotted because it was all so long ago. And the shop give women 50% off, so how could they be offended by that map of where the murders took place? The owner (& his son) also don’t seem to understand how boycotts work; because apparently they think that people coming into the shop & making purchases being happy must mean everything is, in fact, fine. As for “we didn’t have this problem in Whitechapel” - quite spectacular lack of thought about demographics of customers and shop locations; and a huge display of ignorance of the social & cultural history that ties together the north and south of the East End of London. To be fair, the viewers of “Good Morning” seem to have been blankly ignorant of those; and incapable of making the mental leap that anyone boycotting the chip-shop is doubtless also boycotting the tours/films/video games/stickers/clothes/merchandise of any & all other kinds & boycotted the dreadful museum (that I sincerely hope can now be converted into the women’s museum permission was granted for).

TheCountessofFitzdotterel
Just frustrating it took so long for it to be written/this wee bit of rebalancing to happen.

Mrsscrubbingbrush
It might be, worryingly, that the syllabus itself is still making those claims - I know your DD has a while until her exams, but being able to reference The Five accurately will ensure she doesn’t lose marks. I’m not meaning trying to learn chunks by heart or memorise page numbers or anything to be clear, just making sure she spells “Hallie Rubenhold” correctly & remembers to say if something she’s saying came from there. But she could cover herself if there’s a question on who
the victims were with a brief bit about covering what they’re taught in school & then go on to point out the issues with that using Rubenhold’s work. (Apologies if you already know [how] to do all that &/or feel it’s spectacularly obvious.)

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FrancescaContini · 06/10/2021 06:26

What a brilliant, enlightening thread. I am going to order the book mentioned above.

Thank you.

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