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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Conflict of rights between Muslim man and trans man in USA

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TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 02/10/2021 10:11

‘Women Are Human’ have documented a court case between a male Muslim prisoner and a trans man as the prisoner did not want to be strip searched by the guard on religious grounds.
He has lost the case.
This means that there is no religious exemption from being strip searched by a transgender guard or presumably for women prisoners as well in the US.
I think the clashes between the Muslim religion are bound to become an issue.

www.womenarehuman.com/court-no-religious-exemption-from-strip-searches-by-opposite-sex-transgender-prison-guards-plaintiff-files-appeal/

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AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 02/10/2021 12:40

Sure. Go ahead and see what you want. It doesn't change the facts.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 02/10/2021 12:43

Wow, how rude. It doesn't change the facts that this was done to a muslim man. Which is also a race issue. But carry on being rude if that makes you feel better.

Thelnebriati · 02/10/2021 13:07

This is why 'human rights' matter. They provide a framework of safeguarding. Its irrelevant that the victim is a convicted criminal; his human rights matter.
In this situation a group has colluded to remove those rights, and this behaviour is going to have a knock on effect.

InvisibleDragon · 02/10/2021 13:16

walkabout
People on mental health wards who need to be observed in showers should also not be deliberately misled about the sex of the staff member in order to protect the staff member.

Likewise, trans people on mental health wards (certainly young people) should be observed by a staff member of the same sex. I do not think it is appropriate for a female teenager who has, for example, experienced sexual abuse, to be watched in the shower by a man. Even if that teenager identifies as a trans boy.

Artichokeleaves · 02/10/2021 13:22

@Thelnebriati

This is why 'human rights' matter. They provide a framework of safeguarding. Its irrelevant that the victim is a convicted criminal; his human rights matter. In this situation a group has colluded to remove those rights, and this behaviour is going to have a knock on effect.
Quite.

Lets look at how this pans out when some people get privileges and care and others don't. When their race and religion and needs are told that they dont matter because another group wants stuff.

How do we think this ends, boys and girls? Looking at history, what have we learned so far?

Clue; rainbows, glitter, happiness and harmony aren't involved.

Utter fucking madness. How hard is it as a trans person to just tolerate other people exist with special needs too and try a bit of #bekind in return? Live and let bloody live.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 02/10/2021 13:27

This is sickening, utterly sickening.

TimeToDateAgain · 02/10/2021 13:35

Wasn't Lynndie England convicted of war crimes for sexual humiliation of prisoners in Guantamano?

I'm unsure why there's any expectation that this court ruling will stand.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England

TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 02/10/2021 13:56

If gender ideology can be compared to a religion then it is turning out to be the intolerant kind.
There seems to be no tolerance of any other beliefs.

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Artichokeleaves · 02/10/2021 14:03

@TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate

If gender ideology can be compared to a religion then it is turning out to be the intolerant kind. There seems to be no tolerance of any other beliefs.
Or indeed of any other needs at all.

Is this really about equality and diversity and mutual respect? Because I'm losing all faith here.

Whatwouldscullydo · 02/10/2021 14:07

Wasn't Lynndie England convicted of war crimes for sexual humiliation of prisoners in Guantamano

This is another big issue isn't it. I mean how do you punish one person for abuse or indecent exposure or whatever In one scenario. But then legally approve/sanction the exact same thing in another.

Its not gonna work is it. You could have two men or women commit the exact same offence but one get arrested the other told to carry on and the victims stop looking

Jaysmith71 · 02/10/2021 15:50

Lots of stuff online (Quora etc) about male prison officers in female prisons in the US, and vice versa, whose responsibilites include monitoring showers.

Fifty states. Fifty different regimes, but the lack of personal privacy is generally seen as part of the punishment.

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