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Misogynistic attacks on women

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IJustLovePirates · 01/10/2021 12:54

There was a thread earlier, and I’m sorry I can’t remember which one, but it referenced a ‘transphobic attack on a trans woman’ who was stabbed.

I am curious as to why, if TWAW, why this attack made headlines as being ‘transphobic’ while the daily domestic violence, verbal abuse, rapes and occasional murder of women (who were ‘observed to be female at birth)are never reported as a ‘misogynistic attack against a female’

Fairly new to being GC but am VERY angry 😡

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MarshmallowSwede · 01/10/2021 12:57

Because as women we should for some reason accept male violence. Since TW are men they are of course outraged at being victims of violence normally reserved for women.

NewlyGranny · 01/10/2021 13:01

Perhaps because transphobia is officially a hate crime and misogyny still isn't? 🙄

yourhairiswinterfire · 01/10/2021 13:01

while the daily domestic violence, verbal abuse, rapes and occasional murder of women (who were ‘observed to be female at birth)are never reported as a ‘misogynistic attack against a female

Because hatred for women, misogyny, dehumanising us has been normalised. Therefore murder, rape, abuse, death threats when it happens to us are nothing ''out of the ordinary''. Just another day, same old same old. Not unusual or rare enough (nor important enough, it seems) to be classed as a specific hate crime. Just ''it is what it is''.

Someone will articulate it way better than me, but there you go :(

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 01/10/2021 13:03

There were several threads: some of the posters on them overlooked that this was (very sadly) an instance of an attack by a man on a sex worker. Attacks on sex workers are a major subcategory in the general heading of the public health problem of male violence.

Posters had their own reasons for styling it as a hate motivated crime (similarly to some mainstream media outlets) but, at present, there doesn't seem like a strong reason to think such a wretched attack was motivated by any other driver than male violence against sex workers.

NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 13:05

No answer, OP, but I share the question.

(And if anyone has seen any statement given as to why it was deemed "transphobic", please do share it.

I've yet to see any information, so I'm inclined to suspect it's just a case of "victim was trans".)

Whitefire · 01/10/2021 13:06

Because they (despite the protests) are actually a very rare occurrence, attacks on women are just a 'normal part of everyday life' reporting them all would mean people would need to acknowledge that this lots of men rather than one just gone rogue.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 01/10/2021 13:06

They are supposed to be recorded as hate crimes but the media don't seem to want to report on it in that way. I suspect its because your average male seems to take it as an attack on him personally. Which offers insight into their minds, so yes pretty much #allmen.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/10/2021 13:19

Blatant sexism.

Women being attacked is seen as the norm.

If they just used woman, no one would bat an eyelid as they'd think it was just another female victim rather than male on male violence.

They only ignore the 'trans' part when the headlines refer to male 'women' rapists and paedophiles. Funny that.

NancyDrawed · 01/10/2021 13:21

I do not want to minimise the fact that the TW attacked in this incident suffered serious injury and I wish them well.

However, as was pointed out on one of the other threads, it is interesting as a reader that where the victim of a crime is a TW they are reported as such, whereas when the perpetrator is a TW the incident is reported as having been committed by a woman.

Why isn't there consistency on this?

NancyDrawed · 01/10/2021 13:21

x post with pussyhat

Whatsnewpussyhat · 01/10/2021 13:31

Why isn't there consistency on this?

Because it doesn't fit the narrative of most oppressed and marginalised people on the planet does it?

If all the headlines of male sex offenders who claimed to be women actually said transwomen, it would point out the obvious in that pretending ANY group of males, especially those demanding access to every space that women and children are at their most vulnerable, are all completely benign and harmless, is just plain stupidity.

NewlyGranny · 01/10/2021 13:32

Sir Bob Neill just on BBC R4 World at One saying it may be time to consider making misogynist attacks a hate crime. If he can't make it happen, perhaps millions of women can, at the ballot box.

NewlyGranny · 01/10/2021 13:35

Sir Bob Neill chairs Parliament's Justice Select Committee. He should be influential enough to get change!

NewlyGranny · 01/10/2021 13:38

Hmm, so if you're attacked you're a transwoman; if you're the attacker you're just a woman.

That's a very good point and worthy of some rigorous unpicking.

I guess a woman being attacked is just too everyday and easy to ignore. 🤷🏼‍♀️

NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 14:27

I guess a woman being attacked is just too everyday and easy to ignore.

And it is sort of the same thing in reverse. A man doing the attacking is just too everyday. But saying it's a "woman" makes it newsworthy.

Babdoc · 01/10/2021 14:29

If this is the case I think it is, the perpetrator was schizophrenic. Therefore he is likely to have attacked the victim for being a prostitute, not a transwoman.
Schizophrenics often hear voices they think are from God or Satan, ordering them to kill prostitutes specifically or sinners in general.
The high murder rate of transwomen in Brazil was certainly related to many of them being prostitutes.

Gottalife · 01/10/2021 16:27

@IJustLovePirates

There was a thread earlier, and I’m sorry I can’t remember which one, but it referenced a ‘transphobic attack on a trans woman’ who was stabbed.

I am curious as to why, if TWAW, why this attack made headlines as being ‘transphobic’ while the daily domestic violence, verbal abuse, rapes and occasional murder of women (who were ‘observed to be female at birth)are never reported as a ‘misogynistic attack against a female’

Fairly new to being GC but am VERY angry 😡

If the attack was because the victim is thought to be TW then that's transphobic. If the attack was because the victim is thought to be female the attack would be mysogynistic. If the victim was thought to be a bear the attack would be arkoudaphobic.

Not difficult to to understand.

Gottalife · 01/10/2021 16:58

And incidentally, if you should get attacked because your friend is TW that is still a transphobic attack.

yourhairiswinterfire · 01/10/2021 17:10

If the attack was because the victim is thought to be female the attack would be mysogynistic

It's not considered to be a misogynistic hate crime though, that's the point of the thread. Misogyny is very rarely mentioned in news reports when yet another woman is murdered, raped, beaten, strangled to death in a ''rough sex that she totally asked for gone wrong'' situation.

PaterPower · 01/10/2021 17:21

Has it been established that the attack occurred because the victim was a TW? Or could their gender presentation have been irrelevant? As pp have pointed out, attacks on sex workers aren’t exactly rare, to the shame of us men.

BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 17:37

Were the murders of Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallwood charged as hate crimes?

NecessaryScene · 01/10/2021 18:28

Has it been established that the attack occurred because the victim was a TW?

I'm fairly confident it didn't. No evidence has been shown publicly in this case (afaik). And I'm sure they're massively incentivised to count a solved crime as "transphobic" to look good to Stonewall.

People have dug into the stats. It's not hard to do, what with there being so few trans victims. For all except a couple of the victims added up in one of the recent lists of murdered trans people, it was not related to them being trans. (In the US - there are no trans murders here, most years).

The chances of a trans person being attacked for being trans, as opposed to some non-trans specific reason.

And I would be inclined to maybe go against the grain of the board and say the same is largely true of attacked women - most crimes against women aren't misogynist, as such. They're not attacked for being women, in the sense that "hate crimes" were envisioned as. But they are vulnerable because they're women: the most common sexual targets of violent men, and weaker than them. Women are prey, rather than "hate" targets.

But then I'd also say that that sort of distinction shouldn't matter, at least as far as the law is concerned. The fine details of the motive of an attack don't affect the facts of the action, and shouldn't affect justice. Why should a "non-hate" crime be taken less seriously? I do not believe that "hate" crimes are a useful concept - I think it's ultimately harmful.

I'd be in favour of scrapping "hate" as a legal concept, and making sure all crime is taken seriously. Including "prey" crime against women.

BrandineDelRoy · 01/10/2021 19:01

I agree with "hate crime" being problematic. And I'm talking as someone from the US. But if it's going to be a thing and excludes crimes based on sex, I have a problem. Could Colin Pitchfork have been kept in longer if his targeting of teen girls had been a hate crime? I'm talking about future monsters like him.

CBUK2K2 · 01/10/2021 23:05

If by some bizarre circumstance I get in to a disagreement with a person who happens to be black and it ends up as a fight it’s not a racially motivated attack. The dust up didn’t happen because we are different races.

In exactly the same way just because a crime is against a women doesn’t make it misogynistic.

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