Kier Starmer Speech and state of everything

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I am currently wonky of hormones having abruptly stopped HRT but I lost my shit with my on off bloke at lunchtime.

He is a labour supporter. In theory I would like to be. I despise the Tory government but I'm so angry with labour this last week. It's felt like insult upon insult. My ex was saying that he didn't think the whole trans thing was relevant to most people and how did I think it really affected me.

I got so upset. Listening to Kier Starmer talk about the couple who lost their daughter to male violence and domestic abuse, in the same week he and his team have basically told me to shut up, told me what we can say and think and labelled scared women bigots. I'm angry. I want an alternative to Tories but I have no representation.

To have the ex tell me I should be angry with the government and not labour really pissed me off. I am so angry with them because I do not want to be aligned with the Tories.

I saw a collection of photos with the comments from labour MPs this week and wish I'd saved it now. It was a real slap to see it all together. I want ex to see it.

I don't even know how to articulate this, but I care very much about others including transgender people but I want someone to care about how I fucking feel. Is that too much to ask?

Am I bonkers to want to write to Kier? My own MP is a Tory.

Am I bonkers to want to write to Kier? My own MP is a Tory.

Wrote to them both.

I get the feeling, Kier will get hundreds of letters of disgust, as will David Lammy.

I saw a collection of photos with the comments from labour MPs this week and wish I'd saved it now. It was a real slap to see it all together. I want ex to see it.

This one?

@PronounssheRa

I saw a collection of photos with the comments from labour MPs this week and wish I'd saved it now. It was a real slap to see it all together. I want ex to see it.

This one?

Thank you...that's the one!

If Trans is the most important issue for you, and you fundamentally disagree with & can’t accept Labour’s position, then just vote for someone else.

What’s the problem? Why all the angst?

@Libertaire

If Trans is the most important issue for you, and you fundamentally disagree with & can’t accept Labour’s position, then just vote for someone else.

What’s the problem? Why all the angst?

I think you meant women’s rights not trans

Why all the angst?

Because they're the main opposition. The Lib Dems aren't any better on this subject either.

What’s the problem? Why all the angst?

Because as the main opposition party they should be able to have a coherent position on women's rights, they don't.

@Libertaire

If Trans is the most important issue for you, and you fundamentally disagree with & can’t accept Labour’s position, then just vote for someone else.

What’s the problem? Why all the angst?

Trans issues are not the most important issues for me. Women's rights are. I want to feel heard. I feel frustrated that we have a two party system and they're both shit. I want to vote for a party that doesn't put selfishness and avarice first but one that cares about my experience and does not tell me to shut up.

Labour are entitled to not have a ‘coherent position’ on any area of policy they choose. Specific issues get dumped into the ‘too difficult’ box. Happens all the time in politics. And you & I are entitled to not vote for them on that basis.

@Libertaire

Labour are entitled to not have a ‘coherent position’ on any area of policy they choose. Specific issues get dumped into the ‘too difficult’ box. Happens all the time in politics. And you & I are entitled to not vote for them on that basis.

Sorry but that's not what they're doing. They clearly haven't dumped it into too difficult... they've put it fairly front and centre. I feel really upset at how they've dismissed women this week

Yeah - Labour haven’t labelled the issue as ‘too difficult’, they’ve labelled the women.

If 52% are in the 'too difficult' box, that's reason enough to be raging. Scotland and Wales have governments who are pushing ahead with self-ID and who persistently and consistently dismiss women and their reasonable concerns as a side-issue (as you appear to be doing Libertaire) or as bigotry. Even to meet up, the Labour Women's group had to hire security and keep the venue secret until the last minute. This isn't acceptable in what pretends to be a democratic country.

I’m not dismissing this as a ‘side-issue’. I’m suggesting that’s what Labour are doing. Therefore, people for whom it’s not a ‘side-issue’ should recognise that Labour don’t want their votes and vote for someone else.

Well that's perhaps the other issue. Until we have electoral reform we're stuck with this two party nonsense. I feel disenfranchised.

@Libertaire

I’m not dismissing this as a ‘side-issue’. I’m suggesting that’s what Labour are doing. Therefore, people for whom it’s not a ‘side-issue’ should recognise that Labour don’t want their votes and vote for someone else.

And we shouldn't bother discussing it? Does that apply to other political discussions on this board? Is any discussion of any party's policy on anything worthwhile or should we just stick to prams and amusing stories about parking?

If 52% are in the 'too difficult' box, that's reason enough to be raging.

That. They've declared the subordination and desire to remove rights from 52% of the electorate, based on sex, to benefit the other sex, while denying sex exists.

While demonstrating behaviour that frankly makes the muppet show look like News at Ten.

No, I don't want power anywhere near the hands of such people.