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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian and Javid

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chilling19 · 27/09/2021 08:22

Surprising piece from the Guardian re Javid's comment about Starma - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/26/javid-accuses-starmer-of-denying-scientific-fact-in-trans-rights-row

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Empressofthemundane · 27/09/2021 08:39

Why wouldn’t a competent politician signal support for 51% of the electorate over a niche issue which confuses the general public. Labour just keeps setting up the goals for the Conservatives.

chilling19 · 27/09/2021 08:40

Absolutely. Just surprised the by the Guardian

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ahagwearsapointybonnet · 27/09/2021 08:43

Ah but it was yesterday ( Sunday) so it will have been the Observer not the Guardian. They are part of the Guardian "family" but separate editorially, and have put out some quite sensible articles on this stuff.

Babdoc · 27/09/2021 08:46

It is tedious to see the woke apologists claiming that transmen have cervices as some sort of “gotcha”.
Transmen are XX biological women. They are no contradiction at all to the factual statement that only women have cervices.

transdimensional · 27/09/2021 10:08

It seems despicable hypocrisy from Javid - he is stating (correctly) that these are scientific facts and that no one who wants to run the NHS should say otherwise. At the same time, his own party and his own government oversees an NHS (and other public institutions) that propagate the very ideology he's supposedly in disagreement with.

MoonlightApple · 27/09/2021 10:09

I think Labour are going to lose a lot of votes from women over this which is a shame as Tory policies don’t exactly help marginalised women either!

Warmduscher · 27/09/2021 10:12

@transdimensional

It seems despicable hypocrisy from Javid - he is stating (correctly) that these are scientific facts and that no one who wants to run the NHS should say otherwise. At the same time, his own party and his own government oversees an NHS (and other public institutions) that propagate the very ideology he's supposedly in disagreement with.
Is it Javid who determines what is written in NHS guidance though? If everything is run past him before being published, yes, he is being hypocritical.

But I didn’t think he micro-managed things to that degree. Could be wrong of course.

IvyTwines2 · 27/09/2021 10:13

The tone of it seems very in line with the Guardian's though, the words chosen ('he warned that trans individuals are among the “most marginalised and abused communities' - 'warned'?) and the bit at the end that says Javid's comments were supported by tories, conveniently ignoring the huge numbers of appalled women and men on the Left, many of them (like me) former Labour Party members. We are leaving the party in droves. Doesn't that warrant a news story, or is Labour happier now being in permanent, low impact opposition?

transdimensional · 27/09/2021 10:26

"Is it Javid who determines what is written in NHS guidance though?"

Unless he does something about it pretty soon, his point that "And he [Starmer] wants to run the NHS!" is a bit weak for the same reason though.

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