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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Craig Revell-Horwood surprise

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highame · 26/09/2021 10:02

www.entertainmentdaily.co.uk/tv/strictly-2021-craig-revel-horwood-blasted-over-drag-quip-to-judi-love/

However, many viewers took to Twitter to accuse Craig of insulting Judi with his critique. He told Judi: “Well you’re certainly a woman who knows what she wants, darling. “And I have to say if I was dancing that in drag I’d have done exactly what you did.

I don't watch Strictly much but am tuning in to see Robert Webb. I missed most of last night but caught a couple of dances and one of someone called Judy Love. She was great but I was staggered by Craig Revell-Horwood whose comment was about how he would have done what she did if he was in drag. Her face was one of shocked surprise. I was really offended for her. His colours are now well and truly nailed to the mast.

I guess the BBC is now 100% inclusive, so perhaps CRH is allowed to use single sex spaces when in pantomime!!!!

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/09/2021 10:10

I think that there's a lot of reading between lines going on with this. What colours has he nailed?

From the starting point that he's a gay man who does a lot of drag: what he said was a compliment, he said so, it was marvellous and exactly what he, in his rag persona, would have done.

From the starting point that I hate drag: what he said may well have been meant as a compliment but he way missed the mark and needs to speak to some non luvvy friends to see whay what he said was so insulting to any woman.

So, in his own head he wasn't being insulting. In his luvvy, drag famous world, he was being nice.

More deluded than nailing any colours, I think.

Not that I think that makes what he said less self absorbed and insulting. Just that it will take a different stick to beat it out of him!

EndoplasmicReticulum · 26/09/2021 10:21

I think he thought it was a compliment.

LizzieSiddal · 26/09/2021 10:26

Yea he did think it was a compliment, as did her dancing partner.

Poor Ruby didn’t going by the look on her face. I’d feel humiliated if a man said that to me after trying my very best.

LizzieSiddal · 26/09/2021 10:26

Sorry Judi

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2021 10:28

@EndoplasmicReticulum

I think he thought it was a compliment.
I agree - and her face when he said it showed that she thought it was an insult.

It was a thoughtless comment that he really shouldn't have made - one of those oops moments where the full implications implying that she looked like a drag queen hadn't sunk in. But I don't believe he meant it insultingly at all.

highame · 26/09/2021 10:28

The look on her face said not. Yes, agree curious however, there are some arguments going on in CRT which I wouldn't dream of repeating here and his comments reminded me of how offended I was. I didn't see in any way, shape or form, how this man could have thought he was paying a complement to a woman

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highame · 26/09/2021 10:29

He was making the assumption that drag queens are like women, not men in drag - imho

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JoborPlay · 26/09/2021 10:31

I saw it as a compliment.

JoborPlay · 26/09/2021 10:32

As in I saw it as he intended it to be a compliment - he's a professional in the field and couldn't/ wouldn't have done better.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 26/09/2021 10:45

Was there perhaps a tacit suggestion that the 'sassy womaning' of a man in drag is the ideal everyone should aspire to?

It was rather startling and, I agree, meant as a compliment but I wouldn't have liked my dancing to be so described. It felt like he was delegitimising Judi as a woman.

Bolognesedoc · 26/09/2021 10:50

Sounds like a compliment albeit an awkward one.

HotPenguin · 26/09/2021 10:55

Perhaps it wouldn't have come across as an insult if he'd said it to a white contestant, the fact she is black and larger size is very relevant and I think does make it feel like an insult - he's suggesting she looks like a man in drag.

StaplesCorner · 26/09/2021 11:21

The phrase means "If I was dancing in that get up" - if I was wearing that costume - easily misinterpreted though. You can "drag up" - meaning to get your costume and make up on/dress up. Its not the same as saying you look like a man in drag.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 26/09/2021 11:36

@highame

He was making the assumption that drag queens are like women, not men in drag - imho
Yep!
TheMarzipanDildo · 26/09/2021 20:21

I don’t think he was trying to make any kind of political point tbh, it was just a “I’d have done it like that too if I was all dressed up”. I did take a sharp intake of breath when he said it though!

LobsterNapkin · 26/09/2021 22:25

It seems to me like it was really just meant as, as a professional, if I was taking the woman's part, that's what I'd do too.

I suspect it wasn't meant to be looked into any deeper than that, and the implication of "you look like a man" didn't even occur to him.

I've occasionally said something which I only realized later could have a whole other level of implication and was mortified, it can happen.

GreenTeaPingPong · 26/09/2021 22:30

I thought he might have been referring to her perving over Graziano, and that he would do the same! Could be wrong though. I don't think he meant it as an insult.

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