Excellent article on Labour losing women from a Labour activist

[WildishBambino]

I came across this thorough investigation into Labour's misogyny problem, which is part of a pamphlet being released at Conference next week. One hopes Nicole Lampert will be able to launch this without being abused.

Its a good article.

It's also extremely brave, as it being very well written and explained and absolutely true still won't save her from the flaming torches and pitchforks.

One hopes Nicole Lampert will be able to launch this without being abused.

From your lips to the ears of whatever deity people believe it (or equivalent).

Good to see more and more people stepping forward to speak out. Yes, they are still showered with abuse. But as this starts to become more widely reported, ordinary people are seeing the trans lobby's tactics, and waking up to reality.

Best of luck to Nicole and everyone brave enough to lead the way.

She’s brave. Very well reasoned and clear too.

A brave but wholly accurate and sensible article. We should not be in a place where all those adjectives are justified. It should not be be brave to say the truth.

Brave, yes, but what has it come to when to say things like this counts as bravery?

This is all a far cry from Crosland and Jenkins debating the Future of Socialism.

(More of my degree-course reading, It's all coming back. Arrrrrrgh!)

The fact that we are referring to the author of this reasoned and sensible article as brave and hoping that she doesn't receive hideous abuse and death threats says it all.

We all know what will happen, the MRAs and TRAs will prove everything she says as correct. I wish Nicole all the best and hope she is prepared for what will be coming her way.

The horrible truth of the matter is that Labour leadership know all this and they still choose to kowtow to the TRAs and the MRAs. People side with bullies when they benefit from doing so. Maybe, just maybe, Labour would rather lose the next election? It's quite cosy being in second place and sniping from the sidelines, isn't it? Cynical I know but what would they gain by changing sides? As it is, they get to congratulate themselves on how woke they are, they get to indulge their thinly disguised misogyny and they don't have to do anything difficult or uncool like actually standing up for women and girls. What's not to like?

The left always want to lose. Winning is the antithesis of everything they believe in: It is a capitalistic competition. It involved compromise, listening and representing the will of the people rather than educating the people as to their best interests.

@Crankyoldboiler

The horrible truth of the matter is that Labour leadership know all this and they still choose to kowtow to the TRAs and the MRAs. People side with bullies when they benefit from doing so. Maybe, just maybe, Labour would rather lose the next election? It's quite cosy being in second place and sniping from the sidelines, isn't it? Cynical I know but what would they gain by changing sides? As it is, they get to congratulate themselves on how woke they are, they get to indulge their thinly disguised misogyny and they don't have to do anything difficult or uncool like actually standing up for women and girls. What's not to like?

This is the thing: either Starmer knows this is misogynistic and bullying, but is too cowardly to confront the party's Young Ones' Rick-type activists, in which case he's no leader, and doesn't deserve our votes, or he's silent because he's fully on board with the post-2015 Stonewall/Mermaids/MRA agenda, in which case he doesn't deserve our votes. I would dearly love to see him come out and make the sort of speech about trans activists and women's rights and safety that Kinnock did confronting Militant, but my expectations are low. I was a party member until recently but withheld my vote in the last elections.

Wow, that was a really good article.

I do actually really feel for Labour here though. Like with Brexit, their voter base is completely split on this issue. I wish I could believe that if Labour just talked about this rationally and sensibly then people would respect that - but unfortunately I don't think that's the case, I think people's views are so entrenched that they'll just be pulled apart by both sides no matter what they say.

Maybe, just maybe, Labour would rather lose the next election? It's quite cosy being in second place and sniping from the sidelines, isn't it?

I have a horrible feeling you may be right, Cranky. Britain is in such a mess at the moment, with Brexit and Covid and crumbling infrastructure, who would genuinely want to be in charge? And we so desperately need a competent government.

We seem to be as a generation destruction testing the idea that 'professional politicians' are the answer to leading a country successfully.

I don't think anyone's got any lingering doubt left now that it really, really, seriously does not work.

It's a really good article.

Starmer is stuck in the middle, like Joe Biden is in the US. They're stuck between the party activists who are mostly young, militant and uber-woke, and the electorate. In order to win the next election, Starmer knows he will need every single vote he can get and that he needs to keep those militants on side.

The only time Labour has been electable in the past 40 years is when it moved to the centre under Blair and Brown and attracted a decent sized chunk of MC, floating voters. A hard left agenda will only ever attract a minority, but politics is so divisive now that moving too close to the centre will lose the hard left. Labour is in an impossible bind.

When I look at Keir Starmer I see a man who is prentending to be confident but is actually terrified and panicking. Panicking that he is going to lose the hard left, panicking that he is going to lose the youth votes and now, let's hope, panicking that he is going to lose women's and ordinary people's votes due to gender wars and wokeism. If you chase votes rather than deciding what you really believe in and sticking to it, this is where you end up. Current Labour policy is utterly unconvincing, not just on trans issues. It reeks of focus groups, bogus research and "messaging", trying to please all of the people all of the time.

Well, I've written to my MP explaining my concerns on this subject.

I've made it clear that unless Labour starts defending the sex-based rights of women and girls, she won't be getting my vote.

I expect she won't care.

I don't understand how Starmer can seem so perfect on paper and fuck up so much. He's intelligent, legally-minded, experienced, normal background, and has the gift of the shittest tory leader and cabinet imaginable to oppose. Yet he just basically goes "bleat bleat bleat, don't hate me".

How have labour not learned from Ed Miliband days when Ed was prevented from being red and saying what he really thought, for fear of offending someone.

FFS. A good political leader doesn't just follow the mob. A smart, intelligent and rhetorically skilled leader can stand up and declare what they believe and convince people and inspire change and build a following.

If a labour leader would do this regarding women's rights, s/he could light a fire under this misogynistic bullshit and make it OK to challenge nonsense. Instead Starmer betrays women for the sake of what, probably a shitey focus group run by a shitey consultancy that says "18-25yos care about trans rights" without delving into the fact that trans ideology makes no sense and harms women and gay people.

That article pretty much sums it up perfectly for me. Thank you for sharing