Women giving their body parts to men-kidneys

[1Endeavour2]

Women donate more kidneys than men. Men receive more kidneys than women. Surprise me!

There's a real issue with men not donating or even being registered as donors. Society needs encourage more of them to be part of the system, especially young men and blood / plasma donation. Personally I think its something we should teaching during whatever sort of what I called General Studies in school

Only statistic I could find regarding kidneys is (obviously rounded) 60% donors are women, and 40% donors are men in a BBC future article from 2018 (which is full of speculation as to why this is somuch like this thread.)

Also, 59% of people who need kidneys are men, compared to 41% women.

The IPSOS Mori 2017 survey found that:
10% of Gen Z men identified as bisexual or gay
12% of older generations’ men identified as mostly heterosexual, mostly homosexual or exclusively homosexual

So 10-12% of men are effectively barred from donation unless not sexually active/celibate.

So it is likely that the combination of more men than women having failing kidneys and also the 10-12% of men who are not exclusively heterosexual effectively barred from donating....would close a lot if not all of the gap.

Women are probably guilted into organ donation a lot more, there is currently a thread on AIBU about organ donation and there is a lot of ire directed towards anyone not wanting to be an organ donor and a lot of veiled "it will be your fault if someone dies' This is likely female socialisation, I can't see the same happening on the likes of pistol heads.

Our results suggested gender matching for kidney transplant. Only in some exceptional conditions, male donor to female recipient kidney transplant may be successful and female donors to male recipients are not suggested, especially in aged patients with the history of dialysis.

That is interesting. So if there are more female donors, female recipients should be prioritised - it's not just about clinical need, it's also about who will benefit the most.

I wonder if those recommendations are/will actually be implemented? Or are men still being given organs that women could benefit from far more?

However, the following is fact. Up until next year, gay and bisexual men were barred from blood and organ donation if they’d had sex within past three months

Did you not read the comment you are replying to - there are only 70 male donors for every 100 women. Do you believe that 30% of the male population has had sex with a man in the past three months?

And it's not "pure speculation" that women are much more heavily pressured into being altruistic and self-sacrificing than men are!

Apparently, a women diagnosed with cancer is 8 times more likely to be left by her male partner than is a man with a cancer diagnosis to be left by his female partner.

Self -sacrifice is built into women's socialisation - and it clearly works a treat.

Or perhaps men just sacrifice themselves in different ways? 🤔

Who else thinks all else being equal, that a doctor will ask a female relative before a male one?

Well, not me, because IME they ask all family members who are closely related/same degree of kin, and the request is made to everyone

Are men more likely to become alcoholics and wreck their livers with drink?

Stats on organ donation UK

Of deceased donors - following brain death and heart attack (circuiatory death) - there are more male donors than female (brain death 50/50, heart attack 66/34)

www.statista.com/statistics/520163/organ-donation-population-by-gender-united-kingdom-uk/

You might find this report interesting

nhsbtdbe.blob.core.windows.net/umbraco-assets-corp/19220/activity-report-2019-2020.pdf

It also shows more male than female donors

The big 'gap' is that the numbers of donors from the BAME community is lower that the proportion in the population.

@MargaritaPie

Are men more likely to become alcoholics and wreck their livers with drink?

Men have considerably higher rates of liver disease

www.statista.com/statistics/1036415/prevalence-of-cirrhosis-in-the-uk-by-gender/

@PlanDeRaccordement

Only statistic I could find regarding kidneys is (obviously rounded) 60% donors are women, and 40% donors are men in a BBC future article from 2018 (which is full of speculation as to why this is somuch like this thread.)

Also, 59% of people who need kidneys are men, compared to 41% women.

The IPSOS Mori 2017 survey found that:
10% of Gen Z men identified as bisexual or gay
12% of older generations’ men identified as mostly heterosexual, mostly homosexual or exclusively homosexual

So 10-12% of men are effectively barred from donation unless not sexually active/celibate.

So it is likely that the combination of more men than women having failing kidneys and also the 10-12% of men who are not exclusively heterosexual effectively barred from donating....would close a lot if not all of the gap.

That's incorrect. Men who have sex with men are not barred from organ donation, so that's not a relevant statistic.

However pregnant women aren't eligible, and you are not supposed to become pregnant until 12 months plus after donation (and even after that there are higher risks overall with pregnancy after kidney donation), nor would it be encouraged or accepted have recently had a baby/are breastfeeding - that's a very large of pool of women who are out of consideration.

There are slightly higher numbers of men with diabetes, uncontrolled high blood pressure or HIV, which would preclude them from donation, but then there are higher numbers of women with anaemia, eating disorders or others that are also risky.

Overall the numbers affected by pregnancy would still be larger though, and so the pool of male donors should be similar if not larger than that of female donors.

So people have just said "Be nice!" to women so loudly for so long that we just are?

Gosh, it's almost like there is a feminism board so that women can reflect on WHY women are more likely to be prepared to give things up to men. Have another try, Summerhouse, you can do it if you really try.

So your only contribution to the thread is to patronise mine? You have another try.

I just meant that women are more prepared to do it. I.e. not a medical reason.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]However, the following is fact. Up until next year, gay and bisexual men were barred from blood and organ donation if they’d had sex within past three months. The same doesn’t apply to lesbian and bisexual women. So the donation pool of men is therefore smaller than the donation pool of women. So you cannot expect blood/organ donation to be 50/50 from each sex.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uk-eases-restrictions-on-blood-donations-from-gay-and-bisexual-men/ar-BB1bVct4[/quote]
No we’re not, all people in the UK are barred from donating blood if they have had a new sexual partner in the last three months. You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

I’m part of the team (freedom to donate) who managed to bring about the change this year (June).

@Simonjt
You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

Unless you were a man having sex with another man. The U.K. rules didnt change to be equal until summer 2021. All the statistics regarding number of men donating vs women predate the rules change.
www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-change-to-blood-donation-criteria?ftag=MSF0951a18

That's incorrect. Men who have sex with men are not barred from organ donation, so that's not a relevant statistic.

You are correct. I confused blood with organ donation. Sorry.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Simonjt
You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

Unless you were a man having sex with another man. The U.K. rules didnt change to be equal until summer 2021. All the statistics regarding number of men donating vs women predate the rules change.
www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-change-to-blood-donation-criteria?ftag=MSF0951a18[/quote]
I am literally part of freedom to donate, I know the rules, our lobbying is what enabled them to change. Gay men (like any other donor) can donate if they haven’t had a new partner in the last three months. Blood donors do not have to be celibate.

14 June 2021 is not next year!

14 June 2021 is not next year!

Yes, I was cutting and pasting from the news article which said “next year” I neglected to adjust the words to reflect the date of the news article. My fault.

@NewlyGranny

So people have just said "Be nice!" to women so loudly for so long that we just are?

Pretty much so, yes.

@NewlyGranny

So people have just said "Be nice!" to women so loudly for so long that we just are?

You're just ignoring the statistics in Ethelswith's post then?

I was talking in general fwiw.

@1Endeavour2

I observe that only women are/will be asked to be surrogates, donate uteruses if the time comes. Many modern armies in the world have 'augmented' soldiers. Who is going to 'augment' them. Just my reflection on women's place in the scheme of things. I have been rethinking surrogacy lately. Now think it is open to massive misuse especially for disadvantaged women.

What are you smoking? Do you think Call of Duty is real? We do not have augmented soldiers.

More women donate blood, despite women's blood being less useful than men's.

Someone raised the point about gay men being unable to donate blood and that may contribute to the lower number of men donating. But pregnant women can't donate, and nor can anyone who has had a blood transfusion (which is a common treatment after childbirth where there has been a PPH) so I reckon the number of gay men and ineligible women more than balances out, yet still leaves women being more numerous donors than men.

It's female socialisation/expectations vs male that'sthe reason, I'm sure.

@1Endeavour2

Women donate more kidneys than men. Men receive more kidneys than women. Surprise me!

Have you any statistics to back this up?

As someone who has had a live organ transplant from a (female) friend who gave me a kidney, I am perhaps a little more sensitive to these types of posts

OP, your heading and posts is extremely clickbaity, especially given the
Folder you have posted this in.

Please can you provide your source to this so we can have a more informed debate??

Is this UK or world?
Is this deceased organ donation or live donation?
What is the time period?
How does this compare to other organ transplants?
I'm guessing you have also looked at other things such as race and age (which arguably has a far more varied split)

Men in the UK actually donate more organs than women when deceased. That's also interesting?

Doctors do NOT approach potential doners as one poster suggested.

Someone also suggested that gender to same gender transplant work better (unless I've misread). This is also bollocks.

Interestingly I had 5 people tested for a match for me: 2 men and 3 women. Your kidney health has to be AMAZING to be approved to donate and neither men had good enough kidneys. My consultant told me (anecdotally) that this is often the case and women retain better kidney function than men (and you'd never know or suffer from it).

I feel the OP has dropped a bit of a bomb and walked away and as a subject close to my heart, I'm up for the debate but let's get the facts first.

The statistics I looked at were for live organ donation in India.

I suspect the reason more men donate organs after death is that more men die in accidents. I know that far more men die in road traffic incidents than women, whether in cars, on bikes or on foot. (However, when women are involved in road traffic incidents they are more likely to be killed or suffer serious injury.) 95% of fatal road traffic incidents are caused by male drivers driving carelessly or dangerously.