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Times Scotland article - 16 and 17 year olds referred for surgery

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BeanieSue · 21/09/2021 06:38

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

I don't have a share token. I can only hope the Scottish newspapers report on this too.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/09/2021 14:36

If you can borrow it from the library or via interlibrary loan then The Sleeping Beauties: And Other Stories of Mystery Illness by neurologist Suzanne O'Sullivan is worth reading.

Repeatedly, [O'Sullivan] is forced to explain to communities and doctors that [functional neurological disorders (aka FNDs)] are “real” – “a result of physiological mechanisms” in the brain “that go awry to produce genuine physical symptoms and disability”. As recently as 2018, an academic paper dismissed [mass psychogenic illness (aka MPI)] as a diagnosis for the diplomats in Cuba because “neurological examination and cognitive testing did not reveal any evidence of malingering”, and insurance companies are less likely to pay out for conditions that are related to “stress”. Interestingly, MPIs tend to be rejected as an explanation for symptoms in adults, especially men, but caricatured as “just” mass hysteria when they are observed in women and girls. It’s no wonder that parents of the New York girls, backed by Brockovich, campaigned long and hard to find a different explanation for their daughters’ symptoms when medicine has historically written off so much of women’s pain, illness and injury as “hysteria”. O’Sullivan’s message is that these disorders are genuine and serious and that they can be alleviated when the psychological and social causes are addressed.

More controversially, she suggests that MPIs have a purpose. “Psychosomatic and functional disorders break the rules of every other medical problem because, for all the harm they do, they are sometimes indispensable,” she writes. In Nicaragua, she asks a local: “Do you have any thoughts about why young girls are more likely to be affected by grisi siknis?” He replies: “I don’t know … but I think maybe the girls are weak and grisi siknis makes them strong.” By making social problems visible on the body, O’Sullivan believes, these conditions allow voiceless people to tell their stories and to make themselves heard.

Guardian review: www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/14/the-sleeping-beauties-by-suzanne-osullivan-review-21st-century-health-mysteries

www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1529010551/?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Tibtom · 22/09/2021 14:42

Formication: the feeling of insects crawling across or under your skin. It is a type of paresthesia. Temporary parathesia is often due to pressure on a nerve - like from breast binding perhaps?

FrancescaContini · 22/09/2021 16:59

@ditalini

That article / first person account of the process leading up to the surgery was absolutely chilling.
  • Female child has perfectly average childhood/no body or emotional issues
  • Approaches puberty and is becoming uncomfortable with self
  • Psychologist parent predicts anorexia may be the next step, but phew! It's just body dysmorphia - luckily that's easily fixed!
  • Child describes the feeling as having spiders crawling on the unwanted body part and can't leave her bed
  • Psychiatrist tells family the only cure will be surgery
  • Child had her breasts removed and is immediately cured.

If I felt like I had spiders crawling over one of my legs at 16 would they remove my leg?

What if I hated my eyes so much I couldn't open them. Would they remove my eyes at 16?

This is a sudden fixation with one body part which must be removed, and the same body part, amongst thousands of teenage girls all over the world. But no contagion here.

I felt sick reading this. The very notion of agreeing to your 16 year old daughter undergoing a double mastectomy just because she felt uncomfortable with having breasts….honestly, I could weep.
LemonCheesecakeForTea · 22/09/2021 17:07

OldCrone
Helen Minnis, the author of that article and mother of the child involved, who apparently immediately accepted that her child 'is transgender' (and that the only possible treatment was a double mastectomy ASAP), is the head of a research group at Glasgow University looking at treatments for autism

How on earth can someone look at autism and think about "treatments", attempt to change the brain, and yet look at gender identity and think the solution is changing the body?

I mean, the concept of "treating" autism (it's not an illness) is controversial anyway, but to take that approach and yet the opposite for gender identity stuff is just mind blowing. How can anyone be so thick?

Its a sort of weird social contagion thing, is it? A sort of mass hysteria that people are just not applying any critical thought.

NecessaryScene · 22/09/2021 17:54

A sort of mass hysteria that people are just not applying any critical thought.

Well, people don't normally apply critical thought, because they don't have to.

On the whole, "going along with the rest of your tribe" is quite a good evolutionary strategy.

But it's certainly fascinating to watch how far you can push nonsense relying on that basic behaviour.

Tibtom · 23/09/2021 01:21

On the whole, "going along with the rest of your tribe" is quite a good evolutionary strategy.

Not such a good evolutionary strategy when going along with the rest of your tribe involves sterilisation.

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