How Stonelaw Became The New Establishment

[MiladyBerserko]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3740d6b4-1a40-11ec-95b9-6429167b0259?shareToken=370e508394db29cd25f519500b321086

Thanks for sharing, this is all quite fascinating.

"Woke-washing" to describe an attempt to exploit so-called progressive values to deflect attention from less ethical practices. Interesting!!

Well worth a read, thank you again for sharing and I hope others chip in with their comments here.

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.

’Despite the performative rebellion of today’s woke activists, they pose little threat to the social order.’

To be honest I think a lot are quite happy about that. They wouldn’t actually want to do anything that would really threaten their careers or future prospects.

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I'm nor sure about that, they pose a threat go other people's careers.

The article is a bit meh but I find it worrying just how quiet Stonewall have gone. They might be mendacious but they’re not stupid. They didn’t get this far by not being immensely politically savvy. They know this isn’t playing well in public so I suspect they are currently having meetings with every MP, charity, business & public sector network they can. I have no doubt multiple round tables, consultations, meetings for coffees & chats are being held to reassure & shore up their funding & supporter base.

Fascinating! Wasn't it in the 70s or 80s that a senior member of Her Maj's staff resigned when it was revealed that he was (as it was said then) 'homosexual'?

@Theeyeballsinthesky

The article is a bit meh but I find it worrying just how quiet Stonewall have gone. They might be mendacious but they’re not stupid. They didn’t get this far by not being immensely politically savvy. They know this isn’t playing well in public so I suspect they are currently having meetings with every MP, charity, business & public sector network they can. I have no doubt multiple round tables, consultations, meetings for coffees & chats are being held to reassure & shore up their funding & supporter base.

I don't know about that, tbh.

I don't think SW are particularly politically savvy any more under Nancy Kelley, the latest CEO.

And I know that MPs and Police & Crime Commissioners etc have been having coffees and chats with women, too. They cannot afford to piss off their female (and male) constituents. The penny is beginning to drop that this insidious bollocks and the damage done isn't just quietly going away.

My own elected PCC is well aware that many women feel politically homeless over this and is listening - and is no fan of SW.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Fascinating! Wasn't it in the 70s or 80s that a senior member of Her Maj's staff resigned when it was revealed that he was (as it was said then) 'homosexual'?

.....er?

There was Anthony Blunt, Keeper Of The Queen's Pictures, who was a Soviet spy, who explained: "I had a choice; to betray my friends or betray my country. I chose to betray my country."

I suspect they are currently having meetings with every MP, charity, business & public sector network they can

Yes.

And now there isn't a readily accessible list of subscribing organisations it's difficult to gauge what's in progress.

Plus, they're probably more savvy about how to set up meetings in such a way as to avoid being recorded in someone's official diary.

@MiladyBerserko

I'm nor sure about that, they pose a threat go other people's careers.

And how history is recorded.

I'd also say that language changes are interfering with conversations. NHS emails have had pronouns for a long time and recently NICE staff have adopted them (interesting way to signal neutrality for any health and social care decisions or the Cass Review).

I haven't noticed any use of pronouns other than I'd expect for the people I'm in contact with occasionally. But it has made me very wary of talking to those people in case they're the sort of allies looking to score ally points by scolding others for perceived failures, humiliating people on the intranet, reporting colleagues or outsiders for wrongspeak or wrongthink.

I've no idea why it's thought appropriate for key health and social care organisations to signal their lack of neutrality on this issue. It does make me despair that we're supposed to be moving away from authoritarian systems and they're being renewed by people so overwhelmingly convinced of their moral compass that they don't even consider what this means for their own reputations.

How many of these evidence-based people even thought to check the assertions in that NHS Stonewall pack?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4269384-NHS-badges?pg=5

No, not Blunt!