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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ash Sakur outright lying about Rosie Duffield now.

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SafeMove · 20/09/2021 16:07

This is simply not true. Rosie Duffield wants to uphold the Equality Act. Luckily lots of people handing Ash her arse but honestly...if I was Rosie Duffield I would be taking legal advice. This is putting words in her mouth that just are not true. The TRA's are shooting themselves in the foot a lot today.

Ash Sakur outright lying about Rosie Duffield now.
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Clymene · 20/09/2021 19:00

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MrGHardy · 20/09/2021 19:04

When does Ash not lie?

MonsignorMirth · 20/09/2021 19:11

I would be so happy to never read the word "enshrined" again, when it's referring to the law.
Can we all just stop using it please?

The Julie Bindel Woman Prison thing was hilarious, iirc

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 20/09/2021 19:13

Who would that be, then?

I assume they mean Diane Abbott. But imagine if DA came out and said she thought women should have female only single sex spaces? Shock I guess she would be fair game for abuse then?

FurzeMinister · 20/09/2021 19:33

@VladmirsPoutine

Ash has done a lot more to support the most abused politician of our time than many MPs.
And Tony is grateful. It's been a very hard month for him, as I'm sure you can all understand!
Lordamighty · 20/09/2021 19:41

@VladmirsPoutine

The same Ash who also won a libel case against Julie Burchill. I wonder how she manages with all the abuse she gets online, not only a woman but a brown one at that. I certainly couldn't manage it.
She’s happy to dish it out though. You would think that someone who had been libelled wouldn’t libel others but she has no such qualms. She is a hypocrite.
Beefcurtains79 · 20/09/2021 19:49

Why the laughing emoji? What on earth is funny about this?

NewMutiny · 20/09/2021 19:59

She makes my flesh crawl that one. Especially the 'fucks like a champ' bit. Women rarely make me shudder but she manages it 🤮

SafeMove · 20/09/2021 20:07

@VladmirsPoutine

Anyway, carry on Wine
Carry on what? Pointing out a liar and a hypocrite? Yes, I will thanks.
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BlackForestCake · 20/09/2021 21:36

It’s an embarrassment that someone as dim as Sarkar is touted as an intellectual.

DoctorTwo · 20/09/2021 22:20

Aye @BlackForestCake she's epically dim.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 20/09/2021 23:39

Good to see Lord Hunt still on this.

Ash Sakur outright lying about Rosie Duffield now.
BoredOfCbeebies · 21/09/2021 14:18

I am totally confused by GC feminists and TRAs opposite stance on the Equality Act.
Here is Christine Burns on Twitter, suggesting that the EA allows exemptions to transwomen to single sex spaces...
twitter.com/christineburns/status/1440280432415707148?s=19
However, I read that as saying it is legal to NOT allow transwomen in single-sex spaces, as long as it is proportionate. Which seems to be what Fair Play for Women say.
I'm trying to understand the other side - is this person confused or lying? Or are they correct, and I've misunderstood?! 🤷‍♀️

AlfonsoTheMango · 21/09/2021 14:22

@VladmirsPoutine

Ash isn't fanning the flames towards more abuse at Duffied Grin
Yours posts make no sense at all. Smile
Fitt · 21/09/2021 14:32

@BoredOfCbeebies

I am totally confused by GC feminists and TRAs opposite stance on the Equality Act. Here is Christine Burns on Twitter, suggesting that the EA allows exemptions to transwomen to single sex spaces... twitter.com/christineburns/status/1440280432415707148?s=19 However, I read that as saying it is legal to NOT allow transwomen in single-sex spaces, as long as it is proportionate. Which seems to be what Fair Play for Women say. I'm trying to understand the other side - is this person confused or lying? Or are they correct, and I've misunderstood?! 🤷‍♀️
Yes, exclusion is legal.

Since the act came into being however there's been a huge push to insist that nothing ever meets the criteria for exclusion.

Funding in the public sector has become dependent on not excluding and private sector firms are intimidated into inclusion by legal threats and abuse.

If you read about Bannatyne's gyms you will get an idea what happens if single sex services are provided.

334bu · 21/09/2021 14:37

Yes totally legal but because of pressure many organisations don't use the exemptions as a result in the UK female prisoners are now having to share showers with male bodied prisoners.

Fitt · 21/09/2021 14:48

Here is a classic example of the harassment any business gets.
Accusations of breaking the law by simply using a single sex exemption. It's not breaking the law. It's perfectly legal to use the law this way.its what it was designed for.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/25/duncan-bannatyne-uk-equality-act-transgender-women-changing-rooms/

RoyalCorgi · 21/09/2021 14:54

This is a really good explanation of the Gender Recognition Act, the Equality Act and the single-sex exemptions:

thecritic.co.uk/womens-labour-pains/

Fariha31 · 21/09/2021 15:14

@VladmirsPoutine

Ash isn't fanning the flames towards more abuse at Duffied Grin
Serously? This is exactly what she is doing, and doing it very deliberatly. She is a nasty piece of work and (as someone significantly 'browner' than Ash she needs to fuck right off before she does more dammage to the left, minority rights and womans rights.
AngelicInnocent · 21/09/2021 18:42

Slight derail but it was good to see a male MP on twitter stating that RD shouldn't be getting this abuse etc, particularly since she is correct.

Was a Tory MP but good nonetheless.

SweetGrapes · 21/09/2021 19:13

Never ceases to amaze me. All this while both sex and sexuality (lesbian as well as gay) are protected characteristics!

AnotherLass · 22/09/2021 00:18

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NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 01:42

@SweetGrapes

Never ceases to amaze me. All this while both sex and sexuality (lesbian as well as gay) are protected characteristics!
And in fact the law is written neutrally.

Sex protects both men and women.

Sexuality includes straight people.

Of course in real life those things are in there to protect those who historically and still are discriminated against. Women, people who are homosexual and by bi as well.

However the laws are neutral and that's fine can't see why not.

Laws to only protect women etc would never have got through anyway I don't think.

NiceGerbil · 22/09/2021 01:57

And the problem isn't the EA as such.

It's that-

What the EA says has been rewritten and then the rewrite pushed out by loads of orgs in what must have been a pretty organised effort.

When you have govt depts, local councils using incorrect protected characteristics in their policies etc. When the list is freely available and anyone would usually go to gov site copy and paste. I mean that's some hard work to achieve.

And then because of the changes. Plus a creative interpretation that totally ignores what the law clearly is. And given again what most have been a big effort to get the incorrect version in place and into action in so so many areas.

You get the result you want IE policies all over the place being changed because they don't want to break the law.

The problem is that it's already happened. And relatively quietly. Just done. Much of it illegal. And/ or against all common sense/ thought for commercial impact/ thought for what it would actually mean in practice for women and girls.

Example.
Girl guides went ages ago.
The EA says they can have a general exception and be single sex.
Their charity charter is based on focusing on girls.
They have been single sex always.

What they did.
Said it was single gender and always had been.
Changed their policies quietly.
Sacked or drove out women running groups for saying wtf this is all wrong.
For trips away. Their risk assessments were not for mixed sex obv. Refused to do mixed sex ones or even think about potential risks. Because. Trans girls are girls so no need.
Have policy of not advising other parents if sleeping arrangements on a trip will actually be mixed sex.
The question about girls of certain religious backgrounds not being allowed to attend / do certain activities if mixed sex. the answer was the girls with those religious backgrounds should leave.

And this all happened a good few years ago.

That's one example of many.

Abhannmor · 22/09/2021 10:19

Ash put me off Novara Media which used to be OK. Verbose but put of her depth.

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