MEP's have voted to make gender based crime (in person and online) a crime

[miri1985]

www.thejournal.ie/eu-vote-gender-based-violence-5550372-Sep2021/

"MEPs voted to call on the European Commission to put forward a law on gender-based violence, which commission president Ursula von der Leyen said will be finalised by the end of this year.

Online and offline gender-based violence would be listed as a new area of crime under an existing EU Article alongside other crimes such as human, drug and arms trafficking, computer crime and terrorism.

The initiative was passed in Strasbourg this afternoon with 427 votes in favour. 119 voted against the motion and 140 abstained.

Gender-based violence refers to harmful acts directed at a person based on their gender. "

Why does the Istanbul convention about violence against women have to now be about gender not sex?

So, does that mean they have made violent threats to women disagreeing with someone a crime then? And misogyny?

For those of you that parlez frog:

Jeudi, les députés ont adopté, par 427 voix pour, 119 contre et 140 abstentions, une initiative législative demandant une législation et des politiques ciblées afin de traiter toutes les formes de violence et de discrimination fondées sur le genre (à l’encontre des femmes et des filles, mais aussi des personnes LGBTIQ+)

www.europarl.europa.eu/news/fr/press-room/20210910IPR11927/faire-de-la-violence-fondee-sur-le-genre-un-crime-dans-le-droit-europeen

On Thursday, MEPs adopted, by 427 votes to 119 with 140 abstentions, a legislative initiative calling for targeted legislation and policies to address all forms of gender-based violence and discrimination (against women and girls, but also LGBTIQ+ people)

So I assume "deadnaming" an individual would be a crime. Would that also apply to the worst of the worst in prison who declare a feminine identity?

Why would a lesbian need protection against gender based violence that wasn't to do with her sex? (Which would include violence based on perceived non-conformity with stereotypes to do with sex).

I don't know how sex and gender are defined in Irish law.

At first glance this is coming from the right place from Europe but the conflation of sex and gender is a problem.

What language are euro parliament laws etc written in? The gender/ sex wording issue is v English speaking probably. And I don't know how many other EU countries even have gender ID as a thing.

What language are euro parliament laws etc written in?

Laws are initally drafted in English, French and German, then translated into all the other official languages.

"Gender-based violence" is one official term for violence against women and girls. It uses gender in the sense of social hierarchy, and posits that women and girls experience this violence on the basis of their sex precisely because of the power differential between men and women in a patriarchal society.

I understand its use but now no query the usefulness of the term because gender has morphed into an additional concept (of gender identity) which has come to dominate both the discourse internationally and the understanding of the word, but this is a good initiative (if possibly slightly pointless).

And I say possibly slightly pointless because male violence against women and girls is already a crime because violence is already a crime, so I'm not sure right now what is behind this initiative in terms of how making it a specific crime will change the criminal justice landscape.

^but now do query

I guess this is part of the 'hate crime' type of laws, in that it may work as an additional crime on top of the crime of violence, say?

This is all getting looked at in Scotland right now, and I think in England and Wales, too?

Agree that the vagueness of 'gender' means the law has no real clarity.

gender has morphed into an additional concept (of gender identity) which has come to dominate both the discourse internationally and the understanding of the word

Yes, where this movement against 'gender based violence' was initially used to acknowledge that women are at a disadvantage because of their sex for many reasons, it's now been blurred into 'gender identity' and sexuality etc. These other identities need protection, too, of course, but it seems to me the focus on women's unique vulnerabilities due to their sex is lost when it morphs into 'gender' instead of 'sex'.

The french version speaks of genre . I looked at Larousse, the French equivalent of OED, and there is no meaning of this in French that equates to the English concept of human gender.

It looks to me as though they've had to appropriate the word for grammatical gender (le genre) in order to convey the concept of human gender as opposed to sex (le sexe).

A sentence like "Life expectancy varies according to gender" always used to be rendered "L'espérance de vie varie selon le sexe" (as is correct).

Wtf is 'gender based crime' for those of us not living in ivory towers?

This is what I don't understand in the sentence (translation provided by Jaysmith) "against women and girls, but also LGBTIQ+ people"

If it was gender based violence but meaning sex based violence - e.g woman assaulted by a man, but also man (more rarely) assaulted by a woman, then fair enough.

But then they bring in the "also LGBTIQ+ people" which completely muddies the water. Violence in same sex relationships is a thing yes, but how is this gender based? Where do intersex people come in? Why include the Q? It all seems like it's a big ol cover for the T, and yes as pp said below, bring in "violence" like misgendering and deadnaming.

I fully expect this to work like the 'misogyny' law in Scotland will work if they're mad enough to pass it.

It will effectively provide more sticks for TQ people to beat female humans with.

There isn't in German either. The original German word for "gender" is

Geschlechtsstereotyp = sex stereotype
and
Geschlechtsrollenstereotyp = sex role stereotype

If texts are translated from English, and because the English reticence about the word "sex" meant that "gender" was used synonymously, "gender" is typically translated as Geschlecht, i.e. sex.

For the modern concept of gender as gender identity, they now just use Gender in German. Which is an issue because most people do not understand what that is meant to be, but using a foreign word for an ideological concept obscures was always going to have that result.

In Spain género is used around issues of violence to women, but in some places violencia machista is preferred . It is assumed that we are talking about male violence, and nobody believes it refers to women killing men for example. However the use of gender is obscuring the reality and now it is likely to be used to attack feminists and other women for standing up for their rights.

@CharlieParley

There isn't in German either. The original German word for "gender" is

Geschlechtsstereotyp = sex stereotype
and
Geschlechtsrollenstereotyp = sex role stereotype

If texts are translated from English, and because the English reticence about the word "sex" meant that "gender" was used synonymously, "gender" is typically translated as Geschlecht, i.e. sex.

For the modern concept of gender as gender identity, they now just use Gender in German. Which is an issue because most people do not understand what that is meant to be, but using a foreign word for an ideological concept obscures was always going to have that result.

www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2021-0388_DE.html

Not a German speaker myself, they've used geschlechtsspezifischer which google translate tells me means gender specific but I don't know how that would sound to someone familiar with the language

Im really in two minds about this. As a current and ongoing victim, who has been screamed at by the police that 'well what do you want us to do' when they have photos and independent witnesses, I would love to be able to protect myself and family.
But, but I can see this law being used against people who, for whatever reason fall foul of the establishment, including feminists who want to protect women.
So, its a conundrum.

Google errs, miri1985. That means sex-based. (Literally specific to sex).

And thank you for posting the link to the German version. I couldn't find it earlier.

Is not violence against anyone a crime? Already?

Who etc have used gender based violence to be to do with sex for yonks.

It's only become an issue now because there is more than one definition of gender in English and anywhere gender is used it's being pushed/ taken to mean internal ID.

Europe clearly did not mean that it's do fun with violence related to an invisible feeling that may or may not even exist for any individual. And may or may not have any visible indicator of what the internal gender is.

It's about raising VAWG as a priority.

Around Europe there are massive issues eg here the rape stats.