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Head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre :'Protesters against gender reform ‘give platform to fascists’

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MiladyBerserko · 16/09/2021 06:33

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'Women who oppose plans to make it easier to change gender have given a platform to “fascists who want to eliminate trans people”, according to the head of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

Mridul Wadhwa, 43, a trans woman who was appointed chief executive in May, accused those protesting against the Gender Recognition Reform Bill of legitimising far-right discrimination of trans people.'
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CharlieParley · 18/09/2021 23:53

Well then we're in agreement. What matters is that it is unethical for a male person to apply to this type of job when the occupational requirement to be a woman has been applied.

CharlieParley · 18/09/2021 23:57

Why FGS? Why court all this?

For the same reason the Scottish Government is pressing ahead with GRA reform: because they are right and wonderfully progressive and so very inclusive and we're all either bigoted dinosaurs or misinformed fools.

I completely agree that this was deliberate.

NiceGerbil · 19/09/2021 00:03

YY gotcha.

In the end though the focus is on mw.

When really just realised it should be on rape crisis Edinburgh.

Who wrote the ad.
Gave me job.
Would have known how that would look.. If mw was a shoe-in (agree prob was) then they didn't need to use the exception and say female only.
They walked into this with their eyes open. Could have done things to make it look less ???
Even now they could be saying look let this hooha die down maybe hold fire a bit on the trans stuff and work on reassuring first.

But nope.

My only conclusion is that wanted all this. The hiring controversy. The focus on trans. The statements in media saying certain sorts of women aren't welcome.

WHY?????

This is all what they were after. Must have been. No question.

Baffled.

NiceGerbil · 19/09/2021 00:09

But if it's because they genuinely think that making a point by going female only and hiring me

Mw messages to press highly political and saying certain women not welcome etc

Is because they want to be progressive.

Then why not take a less contraversial route and do inclusion stuff and publish it talk to press while reassuring the vast majority of those who need the service IE ordinary women and girls.

They have thrown away with many people their reputation, trust in them, the idea that they are there to help rape victims full stop.

Who are they trying to impress?

While I'm sure funding is linked to inclusion I'm pretty bloody sure it's not linked to hiring contraversial figures with a very dubious process and then announcing that their service is not for all women at all.

NiceGerbil · 19/09/2021 00:13

Seen this? On their website.

'am writing this because I want to make clear what I said on the Guilty Feminist Podcast, whilst I wish my language had been clearer, a few sentences in particular have been taken out of context. My input on the podcast is based on almost two decades of experience I have in working to tackle violence against women and support survivors of sexual violence. To start, it is critical to make clear that I am the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, which is a member of, but autonomous from, Rape Crisis Scotland. Both organisations have a track-record of supporting women through a survivor centred and non-judgemental approach. We must ensure those who need our services feel able to come to us and are not negatively impacted by online discourse.

All support is survivor centred, as it should be.

Let me make this very clear, if a woman engages with our services, through any route, and she feels she is not comfortable with the support worker allocated to her, we will of course, prioritise that need and will do whatever we can to provide the right support - this is the very basis of a person-centred approach and is a foundation of service delivery in advocacy work and support services across a number of sectors.

Alongside this, it is also critical that we act as proactive bystanders and lead by example as an organisation dedicated to equality and human rights. If what we see/hear from someone is clearly prejudiced and we are not responding to their urgent support need it is also part of our role to provide a space to explore and challenge this, in as kind a way as possible. In order for us to create a safe space for survivors it also needs to be a safe space for staff and volunteers, where everyone feels valued, safe and respected. That must be a priority if we are to be an ethical service provider for all survivors using our service, as well as an employer, taking seriously our role in creating a fairer society; this would be the case for any prejudice experienced be it racism, classism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or transphobia.

Sexual violence is part of systemic sexism and inequality – knowing this can help us through trauma.

I, the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre or the Rape Crisis movement in Scotland is not looking to re-educate survivors when they come in for the urgent, potentially life-saving support they may need – that would be inappropriate. What we can do, when they are ready and if they are interested, is to help them take part in wider discussions about how violence against women is a cause and a consequence of a deeply unequal and sexist society. Seeing it through this lens can, potentially, empower survivors to not feel alone (which is so important when they may be feeling blame or shame) and to understand and progress their recovery. These conversations can happen as part of support, if survivors are looking to have that conversation with their support worker; or they can join groupwork or workshops. This is what is meant by “reframing trauma”.

We owe it to each other to stand up to all forms of inequality and discrimination.

When I speak about sexual violence and domestic abuse, I speak from my experiences; as a migrant, as a woman of colour and as a trans woman – I am open about all of that, because being open about our experiences and being able to tell our own stories is one way that we can create a fairer society and fight back against the inequality that silences us.

There are multiple staff and volunteers in our centre who are migrants and women of colour and across their careers they, and I, have experienced racism and bigotry, and too often we have overlooked this across the violence against women sector. If we want to be a truly feminist organisation, we too need to be an anti-racist organisation, we need to be an organisation that stands up to homophobia, ableism, classism and yes, transphobia. This is the bigotry I referred to in the podcast.

I am drawing a line under the podcast and in desperate hope that my words here are understood in full and with the compassion and integrity I am writing with.'

NiceGerbil · 19/09/2021 00:16
  1. Rape crisis Scotland have obviously kicked up a fuss. Said wtf we don't want to be associated with this!
  1. This is on their site. The other stuff is all in mainstream press. So inadequate if they wanted to get to the audience who read the press stuff.
NiceGerbil · 19/09/2021 00:21

'What we can do, when they are ready and if they are interested, is to help them take part in wider discussions about how violence against women is a cause and a consequence of a deeply unequal and sexist society. '

This is a bizarre thing to think to put out there as a key thing. I mean how many rape victims will be interested in or find use in being told about patriarchy etc?

Apart from all that. Understanding that stuff (if you see it as yes that's how it works) is difficult and tbh somewhat disempowering.

No you didn't just get unlucky. This is a worldwide historical ongoing function of patriarchal attitudes and systems. Which leave women vulnerable, often not believed, and with very little recourse to the law. Does that make you feel better? (Erm, well no).

Rhannion · 19/09/2021 00:32

@NiceGerbil

Seen this? On their website.

'am writing this because I want to make clear what I said on the Guilty Feminist Podcast, whilst I wish my language had been clearer, a few sentences in particular have been taken out of context. My input on the podcast is based on almost two decades of experience I have in working to tackle violence against women and support survivors of sexual violence. To start, it is critical to make clear that I am the CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, which is a member of, but autonomous from, Rape Crisis Scotland. Both organisations have a track-record of supporting women through a survivor centred and non-judgemental approach. We must ensure those who need our services feel able to come to us and are not negatively impacted by online discourse.

All support is survivor centred, as it should be.

Let me make this very clear, if a woman engages with our services, through any route, and she feels she is not comfortable with the support worker allocated to her, we will of course, prioritise that need and will do whatever we can to provide the right support - this is the very basis of a person-centred approach and is a foundation of service delivery in advocacy work and support services across a number of sectors.

Alongside this, it is also critical that we act as proactive bystanders and lead by example as an organisation dedicated to equality and human rights. If what we see/hear from someone is clearly prejudiced and we are not responding to their urgent support need it is also part of our role to provide a space to explore and challenge this, in as kind a way as possible. In order for us to create a safe space for survivors it also needs to be a safe space for staff and volunteers, where everyone feels valued, safe and respected. That must be a priority if we are to be an ethical service provider for all survivors using our service, as well as an employer, taking seriously our role in creating a fairer society; this would be the case for any prejudice experienced be it racism, classism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or transphobia.

Sexual violence is part of systemic sexism and inequality – knowing this can help us through trauma.

I, the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre or the Rape Crisis movement in Scotland is not looking to re-educate survivors when they come in for the urgent, potentially life-saving support they may need – that would be inappropriate. What we can do, when they are ready and if they are interested, is to help them take part in wider discussions about how violence against women is a cause and a consequence of a deeply unequal and sexist society. Seeing it through this lens can, potentially, empower survivors to not feel alone (which is so important when they may be feeling blame or shame) and to understand and progress their recovery. These conversations can happen as part of support, if survivors are looking to have that conversation with their support worker; or they can join groupwork or workshops. This is what is meant by “reframing trauma”.

We owe it to each other to stand up to all forms of inequality and discrimination.

When I speak about sexual violence and domestic abuse, I speak from my experiences; as a migrant, as a woman of colour and as a trans woman – I am open about all of that, because being open about our experiences and being able to tell our own stories is one way that we can create a fairer society and fight back against the inequality that silences us.

There are multiple staff and volunteers in our centre who are migrants and women of colour and across their careers they, and I, have experienced racism and bigotry, and too often we have overlooked this across the violence against women sector. If we want to be a truly feminist organisation, we too need to be an anti-racist organisation, we need to be an organisation that stands up to homophobia, ableism, classism and yes, transphobia. This is the bigotry I referred to in the podcast.

I am drawing a line under the podcast and in desperate hope that my words here are understood in full and with the compassion and integrity I am writing with.'

That statement he made is old, it was made about a 5 days after the podcast and about “ drawing a line” under it is nonsense, he doesn’t get to decide where the line is drawn, women do! A line should be drawn under his tenure as CEO.
AnyOldPrion · 19/09/2021 06:32

[quote R0wantrees]Case Study ScotsGov
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"Shakti Women’s Aid came into being in September 1985, when a small group of black women applied for funding, with the help and support of Edinburgh & Lothians Women’s Aid, to the (then) Edinburgh District Council, for funding to set up a separate refuge for BME women and their children fleeing from domestic abuse. In April 1986 the Edinburgh District Council Housing Department approved funding for office premises and two part-time workers, and by September 1986, the workers were in post.

Shakti’s definition of Domestic Abuse is wider than most, it not only recognises perpetrators as a partner or ex-partner, but also other family member such as in-laws.

Prior to the birth of Shakti BME women and their children were using the main stream women’s services, where some of them faced racism and discrimination. In addition, women found that the service provided to them was inappropriate and or did not meet their emotional, cultural, religious and practical support needs. It was recognised early on that a Specialist Refuge Accommodation was needed to allow BME women to overcome additional barriers such as communication, religious and dietary practices racial discrimination, which is unfortunately still a reality for many BME women living in Scotland, individual’s facing racism from people on the street to structural racism such as immigration laws, and other discriminatory practices which exist within mainstream service provision. In June 1987, the first refuge (Shakti) for BME women in Edinburgh was opened.

Current status

Due to the immigration rules Women with no recourse to public funds do not have the same rights as women who have indefinite to leave or is a British citizen. Consequently, these women may have to live in abusive relationships putting themselves and their children (if any) at risk of domestic abuse.

One of our biggest and most distressing challenges in recent years has been the marked increase in contact from women who, due to discriminative immigration rules, have ‘No Recourse to Public Funds’ (NRPF), meaning they have no access to social housing, benefits and some of them have no right to work in the UK.

Women’s’ options are to return to their abusive partner or live on the streets, forcing them and their children into a very dangerous and unpredictable life.

We want to eradicate gender based violence and believe this must include all women, regardless of their immigration status. We believe that preventing these women from accessing services is a breach of their basic human right to be safe and live a life free from violence and fear.

In June 2016 three of our staff members completed a sponsored walk, raised around £1500 for these women.

In Scotland, for the past 20 years, Shakti has been at the forefront of campaigning and raising awareness about the problems faced BME women and their children who have No Recourse to Public Funds (NRPF) and are subjected to domestic abuse.

Shakti is a member of the National No Recourse to Public Funds Campaign Group and has been actively involved in the Campaign to Abolish No Recourse to Public Funds. The Campaign Group have been successful in the Home Office introducing Concession for Destitute Victims of Domestic Violence (concession allowing victims of domestic violence on spousal visas with no recourse to public funds (NRPF’s) to access benefits and public housing while they apply for settlement under the ‘domestic violence rule’). The campaign is on-going.

In 2016 Shakti organised a conference on this issue ‘Disparity in Britain. Changing Europe: the real experiences of women subjected to domestic abuse’."
onescotland.org/nacwg-news/case-study-shakti/[/quote]
Thanks for finding all this Rowantrees. It sounds like Shakti was set up by women who saw a real need for an individual group of women who weren’t well served by the current service, and rather than trying to modify the present facility, which was presumably serving the women who were using it well, they set up a separate and dedicated service so that they could properly help those women.

Mridul came into that system, not to help the women directly, but to train others about the issues being dealt with. Having gained the trust of those who worked there, and having transitioned, Mridul moved over into roles that would usually be given to women. Still not frontline roles, but roles which carried more power.

Mridul Wadwha has mentioned before the feeling of gaining power, when working in a call centre, claiming on the phone to be a woman. That feeling of power was pleasant enough to Mridul to comment on it in an interview later.

So having gained a stronger foothold in a part of the system that catered exclusively for immigrant women, Mridul then describes a growing need to move from advocating for immigrant women to advocating for men who claimed they were women.

It might have been assumed, had a genuine need been identified, that an equivalent to Shakti could have been set up to serve men who claim they are women. But as we know, that is not what has happened.

And rather than ensuring women (and men who claim they are women) are properly catered for by small, individual systems that serve them well separately, Mridul has taken positions within larger (more prestigious?) establishments and is now attempting to bend them all to fit the group Mridul claims to represent.

It seems likely to me, looking at the series of events, that having tasted power, that power might be a significant driver of behaviour here. The roles taken appear to be in the higher echelons of this type of work, which increases the access and standing with those in positions of power in government.

unmemorableusername · 13/09/2024 06:40

Bad Apple from the start

SinnerBoy · 13/09/2024 06:53

Violetparis · 16/09/2021 08:51

I just think of Rik from The Young Ones when I see criticism like this, it's pathetic and all they have.

It would be entertaining to see him scoff a big bottle of laxatives, whilst ranting on about being the People's Rape Counsellor and all the Rastas and Skins and rape victims will cry when he's dead and realise what they've lost.#

#A selfish, emotion vampire.

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