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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I’m still stewing

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MordenLarch · 15/09/2021 22:32

Longish one - apologies in advance.

So several months ago we had an (online only due to restrictions at the time) event at work.

There were talks about women in the field I’m in. After the talks there was an online ‘board’ where we were invited to add the names of women we find inspiring and why.

Lots of people wrote their female family members and inspirational female public figures.

I wrote a variety of women I find inspirational and reasons why. I then wrote JK Rowling for standing up for women’s rights. I then thought ‘fuck it’ and put Kathleen Stock, Allison Bailey and Helen Joyce etc.

I thought no more about it, but then saw later that my JK Rowling had been removed (along with a JK that had been added by someone else). Helen Joyce etc weren’t removed presumably because no one knew who they were.

Even though there was nothing even vaguely contentious I’d written, i heard later that my comments on the board were deleted as they were a “transphobic dog whistle” and potentially very offensive etc etc / unsafe space etc

Apparently JK Rowling was permissible on the board only as long as her writing was referenced. Some of the organisers’ suggested inspirational women pictured on the board included the one off Orange Is The New Black and Munroe Bergdorf. I find that offensive as the latter has said some very objectionable things about gay people on the past (and the rest, which is an obvious point about womanhood I probably can’t say here).

Anyway, we will soon have a staff survey coming up where I can probably mention how ridiculous this whole thing is and how I find it sexist, offensive, 1984-esque etc. Should I bother, or let it go? With this and several other things I feel like I’m up against an impermeable wall of guano at the moment

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beguilingeyes · 18/09/2021 11:51

@StealthPolarBear she's not woman, she's a 'person who menstruates' :(

NewlyGranny · 18/09/2021 15:30

I love that women in politics are fine as inspiration only if they're long-dead. 🙄

Dartfordwarblerautumn · 18/09/2021 17:01

@Gottalife

Such a shame. I mean you could have had chosen real heros like Ellen MacArthur, Amy Johnson or Marie Curie. Instead you got all political and may have given yourself a negative reputation.
JkR is doing a good job with her media presence and fame in reminding us why women’s rights are so important. Marie curie was actively discriminated during her career on bias of her sex .She only got her professorship that she should have been given years before when her husband died. She was then derided, shamed and ostracised because she had a relationship with a married man (I believe he had separated from his wife), and she was punished in her career for that. The man in that relationship career was unaffected. Amy Johnson is an interesting one- she was the president of womens engineering society amongst other things - she couldn’t join the general society or become a chartered engineer as she wasn’t a man. So, whilst these women on your list deserve acknowledgment, so does JKR o4 anyone els3 reminding the public why we don’t want to turn the clock back to the times that these women you admire were living in when their achievements were do underrated and under valued for so long in their lifetimes.
ThinkWittyThoughts · 18/09/2021 17:52

Well, I'm intrigued. Have the other women nominated been vetted for the acceptability of their views? All those inspirational mothers - do they all believe TWAW?

And claiming your being inspired by an incredible woman, JK Rowling is a dog whistle for transphobia feels like a a slur on both her and your reputations. Do they believe you are transphobic? If not, why remove your post. If so, why the fuck haven't HR had a word?

Serenissima21 · 18/09/2021 17:58

What was the point of the exercise if they were going to censor the answers? Idiots.

StealthPolarBear · 18/09/2021 20:55

beguilingeyes my mistake sorry. If she really wants to use the term I suppose she can be a cis-woman.

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