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Women of Wales - See you tomorrow!

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futureghost · 13/09/2021 09:58

Just to say I am looking forward to meeting all of you who are coming to the Rally at the Senedd tomorrow! : )

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Shedbuilder · 15/09/2021 12:51

I was there and it was great. Really enjoyed meeting up with some old friends from my days in Wales. I'd say that there were easily 100 people, more when people on their lunch-break arrived.

Glinner and Mr Menno and Kate Harris, one of the founders of the LGBA, came down to speak about the execrable Action Plan and then many of us went to the pub. Lots of other speakers too. The women of Merched Cymru deserve long applause and thanks for organising this event. They are a very efficient bunch.

Glinner and Mr Menno are both very tall and both coped admirably with being pestered for selfies by women of mature years.

Lowhum · 15/09/2021 20:00

I was surprised to see quite a decent turn out. Mostly women, but heartened to see some men there too. It’s sad, but if it was a rally of mainly men opposing the plan and discussing safeguarding then I’m not sure if the counter demo kids would have turned up.

It was quite sad to see that the group of around 15 counter demonstrators were mainly very, very young and there were a few older adults.

At one point they started to listen (no chants, silence) but when it all got a bit too close to home, they started blowing whistles.

Behind the anime profile pics, the reality is that these young people looked just like I did when I was that age. Loads of energy, finding out who you are through clothes and make up and a stubbornness that thankfully started to fade when I found myself a full time job and started paying bills! I probably would have been right with them because I loved being ‘alternative’. I probably wouldn’t have understood a lot that was said at the demo, so it would have been easier to chant through it than actually listen to what is being said.

PaterPower · 15/09/2021 22:38

Did it get any press coverage? I can’t find anything from googling it.

“Funny” how the local press will report on a house having appeared on ‘Homes Under the Hammer,’ but write nothing about a protest that I imagine an awful lot of their readership would support, assuming they ever got to hear about it.

Lowhum · 15/09/2021 22:41

I don’t think it had any coverage, but the Welsh Conservative leader came out and spoke to a group of women and a man from the protest. He was there around 15mins I’d say.

An LBC reporter was there but was asking around for another protest nearby.

NiceGerbil · 15/09/2021 23:00

Any links on Twitter etc to have a look at any rewording?

PaterPower · 15/09/2021 23:21

The TRA protest against plans to drop the GRA changes (which looked like it was a much smaller crowd) was reported on back in August… it would almost make you suspect the local rag has an editorial bias

IamEarthymama · 16/09/2021 00:22

Merched Cymru are a fantastic organisation. As they said, “ The Wales LGBTQ Action Plan is a commitment to ending women's sex based rights. We do not consent to a society organized around the belief system of gender rather than the objective reality of biological sex.”

We really must get Welsh Government to recognise that they are in a bubble with a small group of the Cardiff-centred so-called elite who do not represent the views of the majority of people in Wales. Welsh Labour will lose all the advantages they have gained through lockdown and Mark Drakeford should have the sense to listen to women who have supported him.

Sarah from LGBAlliance Cymru, Bronwen from Lesbian Labour, Kate from LGBAlliance, Sue from Labour Women’s Declaration, HelenR from Merched Cymru all spoke, giving their perspective on the Plan. (Had transport trouble so may have missed someone out at the beginning sorry and big apologies if I missed you!). Lianne from Get the L Out and Lisa-Maria from Filia were also there, while lovely Valley Girl HelenJ kept everyone in order and read out messages from supporters who couldn’t be there, including Helen Steel.

Sonya Douglas was incredible, moving and intensely focused. She talked of love, that we were acting through love to protect our young. The very young protesters stopped and listened.
twitter.com/sonyadouglas/status/1438057601598689282?s=21

There was passion there too, it was wonderful to hear lesbians speaking out, I found it very moving. We care about girls and young women as they face the pressures of their changing bodies in a porn fuelled, misogynistic, homophobic society.

There was singing, there was humour, there was righteous anger.

There was Glinner and Mr Menno, who told us of his experience in the gay community, and of the expectations that gay men will have sex with those people with vaginas! And led us in Sea shanties and songs, as did Côr Cochion .

I don’t care if we are accused of ‘Oooh, it’s a man!”. We make a bit of a fuss of them because they get it, they don’t ignore this troublesome issue, they listen to women, they support women, unlike the vast majority of men.

Another chap who spoke was Christian Wilton-King, who was taken to the EWC for his gender critical views. He is concerned about the high numbers of autistic children and young people who wish to transition. (I found this terrifying). He was passionate and I hope WG listen.

I am so proud to know these women, to be part of this movement. I know many of us felt that we were there representing all the women who dare not speak out., whose voices are silenced. They can’t speak out because they will be attacked by activists or their organisations have signed up to be Stonewall Champions or because, as in academia, it is career suicide. Like many of us they are one pay check away from financial disaster and feel unable to publicly share their opinions. A sad state of affairs.

I am terrified for our children if the proposed Plan gets through to legislation, so please follow the organisations who are challenging Welsh Government and lend them your support.
#CanThePlan!

(Here’s an excellent article in the Critic.
Jo Bartosch )

A bit of a ramble through the rally, it’s tiring in these post-Covid days, while also energising. I hope we get to meet up on other rallies and protests and gatherings. There must be someone who can design a MN FWR badge, for sure.

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