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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sturgeon on C4 News tonight.....

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Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 19:04

...Will say that the "War on Woke" is a front for racism and the persecution of minorities.

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KittenKong · 10/09/2021 19:06

Hahahah - no?!

Igmum · 10/09/2021 19:15

Oh FFS. SMH 🤦‍♀️

Babdoc · 10/09/2021 19:18

She seems keen to publicise her limited intellect and grasp of basic feminism!
Sadly, as I cannot stand either her smirking face or excruciating whiny voice, I will not be watching. Maybe a fellow viper can post a transcript here later?

Artichokeleaves · 10/09/2021 19:20

You can only get away with the wild hyperbole for so long before everyone just rolls their eyes.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 10/09/2021 19:25

wait....there's a war on woke?

or is it just people asking questions?

GCAcademic · 10/09/2021 19:33

And yet Sturgeon described as her "alter ego" a woman who is a raging racist.

NecessaryScene · 10/09/2021 19:37

That's nice.

I'm going to say that "trans activism" is a front for racism and the persecution of minorities.

Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 19:53

Here we go:

"Ever since the Brexit vote, Scotland has been seen as the leading progessive force in the UK...."

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Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 19:55

Just the opening question about 'woke' and I missed whatever she was blabbing on about.

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Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 21:01

Here we are. Recorded on +1:

"First Minister, you are pro-migration, pro trans rights, and to many the face of progressive government in Britian. Do you describe yourself as 'woke'?"

".....in terms of what the word 'woke' was originally intended to be, I wouldn't have any difficulty with that. My concern with the word 'woke' is it's become a perjorative term of abuse, to almost criticise people who care for equality and want to promote the rights of minorities. .....I just think these days it's probably more helpful to shy away from the label and actually focus on the substance..."

C4 overselling this a little.

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Cabinfever10 · 10/09/2021 21:09

That woman is an absolute moronic embarrassment

OvaHere · 10/09/2021 21:11

Focusing on the substance is the last thing she ever does. If she did we'd have some proper answers to questions by now.

Artichokeleaves · 10/09/2021 21:22

When the phrase 'trans rights' means in plain fact 'the right to remove rights from all female humans', it loses an awful lot of its shiny niceness. This needs unpicking. A lot.

aweegc · 10/09/2021 21:27

She wants to focus on the rights of minorities.

Men are a minority. Women obviously not.

So focusing on women's rights wouldn't fit her objectives.

And after all, she's a woman and she's got lots of rights, so what the problem? Angry

HatsOnHatsOff · 10/09/2021 21:31

Yes it's the removal of women's rights in favour of trans rights and the absolute raging misogyny from the TRA camp that are the issues for me. Plus the irreversible damage being done to the bodies of young people in the name of progression. And I just don't get how so many people can't see it.

Artichokeleaves · 10/09/2021 21:36

Not to mention that she's really not that interested in the minorities women keep trying to point out to her, like the minority of women of faith and culture, disabled women with autism, the minority of women who have been victims of rape, assault and abuse, who are going to be excluded and suffer the most with her exciting policy of taking rights to single sex spaces away from them so that male born people can have more rights than those women do.

It's just plain lies. She doesn't give a flying toss for minorities in reality other than the ones that benefit her specific agenda of the moment.

reprehensibleme · 10/09/2021 21:39

She's an embarrassment. I cannot express how angry and disappointed I am by her responses. Stepford SNP, toeing the party line, throwing good women MSPs under a bus for daring to speak out. She is the wokiest of woke and not in a good way and I hope this is her undoing.

Jaysmith71 · 10/09/2021 22:10

There was also a question about Scottish museums and universities handing back stuff nicked from Africa.

Answer was: Yeah. But No. But yeah but no but yeah. But No.

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PersonaNonGarter · 10/09/2021 22:14

She so fucking unscrutinised - and the rest of her government is even worse.

KittenKong · 10/09/2021 22:22

Is she genuinely wokey?

Sturgeon on C4 News tonight.....
ArabellaScott · 10/09/2021 23:13

@Artichokeleaves

Not to mention that she's really not that interested in the minorities women keep trying to point out to her, like the minority of women of faith and culture, disabled women with autism, the minority of women who have been victims of rape, assault and abuse, who are going to be excluded and suffer the most with her exciting policy of taking rights to single sex spaces away from them so that male born people can have more rights than those women do.

It's just plain lies. She doesn't give a flying toss for minorities in reality other than the ones that benefit her specific agenda of the moment.

Entirely this.
CharlieParley · 11/09/2021 01:11

None of her claims in defence of abolishing the gatekeeping and safeguarding aspects of the GRA make much sense when you remember that this is the government that has unequivocally stated that women can be male and female. (And by extension, of course, men can be male and female too, but for some unfathomable reason the Scottish Government has never made any statements about that.)

Abortion thus is no longer a women's issue according to the Scottish Government but a people issue, so why is she going on about it as if being a much more important women's issue than losing our sex-based rights? Neither are any of the other issues She claims as women's issues (proving once again that a) not even the most ardent believers believe TWAW to reflect the truth and b) you can get away with stuff that gets others labelled as transphobic if you're special.

And it's truly pathetic this mangling of language when it suits them, because when you look at big government initiatives, like the new women's health plan it is clear that they mean female people when they say women and girls.

It's not possible to take both positions and deliver coherent policy, regulations and laws. Either women are female and your statutory writing reflects this or they're male and female and your statutory writing reflects that.

If you pretend these two mutually exclusive positions are the same, you will run into trouble.

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 11/09/2021 01:26

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

wait....there's a war on woke?

or is it just people asking questions?

The moment "woke" was appropriated from black and anti-racist activists by largely white, largely economically-advantaged, largely heterosexual people, with asymmetrical haircuts and a tendency to try to reclaim homophobic slurs that they would never have been the targets of, was when people started to take the piss. It's "wake up sheeple" levels of non-self-aware arrogance with a side-order of cultural appropriation and fetishisation. I'm sad that yet another piece of minority culture has been appropriated, diluted and twisted by those who claim to be forward-thinking, but those who took and expanded it deserve the mocking they get IMO.
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/09/2021 04:33

ClumpingBambooIsALie

I try to call it fauxgressivism, pseudo-progressivism, or fake progressivism and so on, for that reason.

I'm really not comfortable with this appropriation of what seems to have been (I say seems, becaise I am not an expert on US English!) an expression for developing class consciousness and an analysis of how racial oppression affects US society.

It seems horribly unfair.

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 11/09/2021 12:33

I'm not comfortable with it either. I try not to use "woke" to mock the neoqueers who appropriated the term because of its original meaning of something like "aware of racial injustice", but it so perfectly lampoons their tendencies that it's hard to resist.

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