"Why not have festivals that only women can attend?" - BBC news

[FrauleinF]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-derbyshire-58464519

Well, that was certainly an interesting watch...

Great idea! Gonna share that with some friends.

You wonder why they bothered with 'conditions of entry' sign...

Sigh, not for just cunty types, oh well.
femmefest.co.uk/faq/

Why not have festivals that only women can attend?

Because we're not allowed.

I'm happy with that as long as there can be festivals that only men can attend. It'll never happen, though. No band wants to limit their audience.

Someone should get them to Google Dana Rivers and Michfest. That trial seems to be taking a long time to come around and I bet it will be ignored by the media.

There's been some coverage of the 40th anniversary of Greenham Common recently. Can you imagine how much of a validation, dominance and predation target that would become these days? Transactivists and Antifa would completely take over.

I'm fairly sure I read the trial has been happening and there's a curious media blackout.

Constantly postponed, Ova.

www.karadansky.com/state-v-dana-rivers-updates

@Millicentsparty

I'm happy with that as long as there can be festivals that only men can attend. It'll never happen, though. No band wants to limit their audience.

Who will stop a festival being arranged by men for men? Or is that supposed to mean that you give your permission for women to arrange something for women as long as they also arrange something for men along the same lines? If a musician is being paid they wouldn't care how big the audience is. I think Femme fest is mainly tribute acts anyway.

[quote FlibbertyGiblets]Sigh, not for just cunty types, oh well.
femmefest.co.uk/faq/[/quote]
I think it might be, I read transgender women as transmen, and transgender men being transwomen.

No transgender women is the new way of saying transwomen . So not the cunty type.

@Anotheruser02

"Who will stop a festival being arranged by men for men?
Or is that supposed to mean that you give your permission for women to arrange something for women as long as they also arrange something for men along the same lines?
If a musician is being paid they wouldn't care how big the audience is. I think Femme fest is mainly tribute acts anyway."

If I were a festival arranger, I'd arrange for either sex if it made money. Bands normally perform to sell records, so the wider the audience, the wider their likely record sales. This festival might be tribute acts, but the question was about any festivals.
What ridiculousness is this about me giving my permission?!! I just referring to being non-discriminatory. Take a chill pill, your paranoia's showing.

FemmeFest is fully supportive of our Transgender community and FemmeFest welcomes Transgender women. We will not accept opportunists entering the site. You may be asked to show ID to show that you identify as female. Individuals unable to show prove will be refused entry

I’m not entirely sure what this means tbh. Transwomen (TWAW) welcome, but not self IDing Transwomen? Dunno. Though their woeful SPAG, throughout the site, makes it difficult to know what it is they actually mean.

I think that means you have to have female markers on your ID. That's their bar, basically. The video looks fab, but I also spotted some T&C about political T-shirts being confiscated etc. so I would feel it was an event I might attend but be very wary in, which rather defeats the object, tbh. No doubt as I'm a nasty exclusionary type they wouldn't miss me.

But on the wider point, yep. Women only spaces of all types would be lovely, wouldn't they? We should definitely do that. I hear if you try it in Australia, they've ruled that sort of thing illegal? And obviously Michfest is still thriving. And everytime someone suggests such a thing anywhere, disclaimers have to be issued to make it clear that it's women-only with a very specific exception or there are howls of anguish.

But we should keep trying.

'FemmeFest welcomes Transgender women. We will not accept opportunists entering the site. You may be asked to show ID to show that you identify as female. Individuals unable to show prove will be refused entry.'

Interesting to know details on how they judge who is an opportunist.

Also not sure what form of ID proves you identify as a female? ID can show you are female or have gone through /are in the process of gender reassignment but what ID could be proof of female identity?

All in all clear as mud!

@McPancreas

'FemmeFest welcomes Transgender women. We will not accept opportunists entering the site. You may be asked to show ID to show that you identify as female. Individuals unable to show prove will be refused entry.'

Interesting to know details on how they judge who is an opportunist.

Also not sure what form of ID proves you identify as a female? ID can show you are female or have gone through /are in the process of gender reassignment but what ID could be proof of female identity?

All in all clear as mud!

From the sounds of it they are happy with trans women who are fairly early in transition but not men who don’t identify as women in any way, shape or form and are just pretending to get in.

Personally I would be reasonably happy with that. There will be a reasonable number of penis-havers but I am happy to go to a mixed sex festival so that isn’t an issue for me. It is different to, say, a swimming pool changing room as I am not happy to go to a mixed sex swimming pool changing room.

I suspect it would end up similar to my dd’s Trampolining competitions - there are male competitors - but not a lot as the vast majority of young trampolinists are female and there are male spectators (dads) but significantly more mums. As a result it is generally a nice, supportive environment. (As opposed to the other sports Dd does which are mainly dads as the spectator parent which have a far more competitive, far more pushy environment.)

@334bu

No transgender women is the new way of saying transwomen . So not the cunty type.

Fuck there's a new way? I just got used to the old way.

Hey Mumoftwoinprimary

Yeah the fact they acknowledge there may be people abusing self ID puts them head and shoulders above so many other orgs who refuse to consider such a thing could ever happen or matter if it did.

I think this is as far as an event can go without massive backlash from the usual suspects

"They" won't allow it. There would be loud, screaming demands for it to be shut down or made "inclusive" and if not they will threaten the venue and then if it's not cancelled they will turn up mob-handed and physically either stop women entering or gatecrash.

After Michfest, nothing left but hollow laughter for a question of that calibre of silly.

@EndoplasmicReticulum

Why not have festivals that only women can attend?

Because we're not allowed.

Mores the shame 😒

I would love us to organise some kind of undercover Mumsnet Witchfest, where only Radfem cognoscenti could buy tickets.

(Or is that basically Filia..! But without the music…)

As soon as men of whatever identity are allowed entry it becomes. Mixed sex festival...which is fine if that is what you want but let’s not pretend it is women only. I still can’t get over the lesbians and their son killed by a TRA very active in mIchigan women’s festival .

It's intriguing. I understand the strength of women only spaces, and how the dynamic is healing and powerful and can lead to really amazing things.

But this isn't a women only space. It's a space for people with F or W on their ID. Most will be women, sure. But that's a majority-woman space which isn't the same thing, even though, as PP pointed out, it is still different to a majority male space.