Dublin Lord Mayor blocks mother on twitter.

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New packs being sent out to Irish schools.

twitter.com/lordmayordublin/status/1434166401640673292?s=21

The Lord Mayor of Dublin blocked a mother for making this statement

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"Children should NOT be signing ANY kind of pledge. It’s not right. ^

It's hard to know why the Lord Mayor felt the need to block a mother for saying this.
TENI and BeLongTo are involved, needless to say.

@takeawaydinner

New packs being sent out to Irish schools.

twitter.com/lordmayordublin/status/1434166401640673292?s=21

The Lord Mayor of Dublin blocked a mother for making this statement

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"Children should NOT be signing ANY kind of pledge. It’s not right. ^

It's hard to know why the Lord Mayor felt the need to block a mother for saying this.
TENI and BeLongTo are involved, needless to say.

The person blocked is allowed to request a statement of reasons from the Lord Mayor office why she was blocked, its an offical account its not a personal one. Let them put in writing why they think its a question worthy of blocking someone.

If they refuse to give a statement of reasons then it can be taken to the info commissioner- www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/charities-regulator-ordered-to-explain-why-it-blocked-woman-on-twitter-1.3705779

If they give a reason and that its that GC viewpoints are hateful then its a WRC case which given what happened in the UK in Forstater is easily winable IMHO

If this person is up for it, they should let the Lord Mayors office put their money where their mouth is

@Nellodee

That is quite the ratio.

Yet, anyone can be classified a woman in Ireland. No protection in life or in law. How will that addressed? This bs needs to be removed from our statutes. No less.

@Jaysmith71

And when the Temperence Pledge came in, nobody ever had a drink again and all the pubs in Ireland were forced to close?

Now I have got that right, haven't I?

Spot on

Irish theocracy 2.0!

This reminds me of the compulsory Pioneer Pledge at Confirmation - which absolutely nobody stuck to in my school (except me, eejit that I was in those days).

Imposing temperance or sexual abstinence through social control is authoritarian and ultimately pointless in stopping all ‘undesirable’ behaviour. But that’s where social shaming comes in, the Church used that to great effect in Ireland, so expect that to be Stage Two of the Grand New Social Engineering Project.

The tweet mentions the DCC (Dublin City Council) but I can't see whether that's the extent of the rollout.

It's not from Dublin City Council. It's the Dublin City Youth Council (Comhairle) doing it. There seemed to be 7 kids packing boxes and they say that the packs are going to some member schools.

The pledge itself is about making the Dublin City Comhairle more LGBTQ+ friendly so I doubt it's going to be signed by many who aren't already engaged with the (47 member) organisation.

Clearly the kids doing this seem utterly drunk on cool aid but if you are going to run youth democracy activities like this (which I think is good) then these are the outcomes you sometimes get. Kids often think simple answers work and want to make grand gestures. They end up doing 'awareness raising' because they have no power to do anything else.

Apologies OP, I mistakenly thought it was Hazel Chu and went off on a rant. Allison seems like she's just as bad. Where do they get these people?

The Lord Mayor's twitter account (although that of a public figure, even if symbolic) seems to be screening who can answer. Despite the replies I have seen not being discourteous or rude. Just people factually pointing out that they seem to be driving an ideology into schools from the top down. In a manner which is without an evidence base and seems to disregard safeguarding leaving school children vulnerable to pretty much anyone.

How are they able to screen the replies. I tried to reply and could not. Totally repugnant to me that my children might have to sign a pledge of any sort because it's indoctrination of children. We have surely moved away from this sort of thing which we were forced to for our religious classes.

They seem to have the bit about who can reply. If the responses are merely in disagreement or pushback about the appropriateness of forcing this ideology in schools, I wonder if it is appropriate for a public figure like this to block the general public from being able to comment.

Where does the demand or mandate for this being introduced into schools without parental consent come from? It does not seem to be able to stand up to any examination or daylight. As if secondary children don't have enough issues to deal with, they bring this on top of them without objective, evidence based analysis, or even proper safeguarding. Never mind consent.

I wonder how many parents are aware that this is happening and the implications. Horrendous. Terrifying.

@Cailin66

How are they able to screen the replies. I tried to reply and could not. Totally repugnant to me that my children might have to sign a pledge of any sort because it's indoctrination of children. We have surely moved away from this sort of thing which we were forced to for our religious classes.

The Lord Mayor (who was an Equality officer for the Irish National Teacher Organisation, but who doesn't seem to allow free speech ) has this up

^Who can reply?
People @LordMayorDublin mentioned can reply^

I can understand blocking someone if they are abusive, but the replies are just people who disagree with her. Mostly people who are worried about the impact on women and girls.
Will this now be viewed as hate speech?

If they won't let the general public comment, by restricting comment only to who unquestioningly support this ideological indoctrination of children then it is fixing the narrative to pretend everyone agrees with this.

They are only allowing people who are in support of this to reply from now on and then will probably say that proves there is a general consensus for this. That is creating propaganda. I wouldn't be surprised if a clarion call goes out for those like O'Gorman's Amnesty (who signed a letter calling for women to be denied a voice for non-bs think) to comment from now on. Does this person not have to adhere to any standards in public life?

This is an absolutely insane idea. Even if I agreed with the sentiment - say, if it was, "I promise not to discriminate against someone on the grounds of race" - I would still think it's insane. How can you possibly justify coercing children into pledging adherence to a particular set of beliefs? What would be the point? What would be the value? What are they hoping to achieve?

The thing is that Ireland already has Self ID. It was one of the first countries in the world to sell out women do this.
But it appears that this is not enough. They will keep going until everyone genuflects at the alter of this new religion.

*altar.

The confirmation pledge was never compulsory!

Laughing at some new comments on the Lord Mayor twitter. Someone saying that the comments pushing back on ideological indoctrination of children in schools are just awful.

When you concoct and ideology (device of evidence based science) and introduce it into schools (without any critical analysis as to it's merit) encouraging children to take a pledge to unthinkingly support it, you are limiting the self-expression of the children.

Yep, indoctrinating children is being classed as self-expression. Will the actions of those who will be doing the recommended policing of 'zero tolerance' (whatever they mean by that) also self expression? Gimme a break!

@JaneJeffer

The confirmation pledge was never compulsory!

The Confirmation Pledge may not have actually been compulsory but it was considered compulsory in my school (and all other Catholic schools in the neighbouring counties in the 1970s/80s/90s) - the schools run by Nuns and Christian Brothers and even RC Laypeople allowed no opting out and social pressure on parents meant all RC children were expected to take it.

Taking the pledge on a compulsory basis like this was pointless because very few kids stuck to it when they got older because it was imposed on them and because the pledge was taken at age 10-11, when kids know feck all about life and alcohol, their pledging not to do something they had no experience of was also pointless.

@JaneJeffer

The confirmation pledge was never compulsory!

What nonsense is this. You couldn't refuse anything the nuns told us. Do you think any of us didn't understand everything they said was compulsory. We had to confirm we'd been to mass on a Sunday, repeat the sermon for the nuns to double check and imagine if any child said they didn't want to do confirmation.

When you don't have a choice to say no it's compulsion.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/290774e6-0ff9-11ec-86b8-9dcf48a101ba?shareToken=130e682630e41e3ae4d464e9e5d4623f&fbclid=IwAR0g9pJXq624owH7jb1JYSDu20-JFVrwsHHhUBdxdEjACiBYaNGAzVTTrSg
I haven't seen this reported in the Irish newspapers, but they tend to ignore anything to do with this topic.

The Lord Mayor is wrong when she said that only a minority of people objected. In fact, almost every reply was from people objecting before the Lord Mayor blocked replies.

The temperance link is interesting. I've often felt that the various progressive Christians I know who are all gaga about gender ideology, and also people not wearing masks wanting to kill elderly people, would have been temperance crusaders 100 years ago.

@1lov3comps

Does anyone know if it's being rolled out to all Irish secondary schools or just Dublin ones? The tweet mentions the DCC (Dublin City Council) but I can't see whether that's the extent of the rollout. I have a daughter who has just started secondary and want to see if she will be likely to get this - as I would not be happy and would be strongly encouraging her not to sign it.

I saw mention of 22 schools. Clearly 22 too many.

Interestingly, on TheCountess.ie twitter, there is a thread about the notion of 'gender identity' is being introduced in materials in early primary school. Think 4 year year olds. I don't think parents have been consulted.