Megan Murphy is on Joe Rogan

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Full ep here: open.spotify.com/episode/6yc6AIMf3JqLWygLQJ4Wrg

Short clip:

I’ve stated my exact same reasoning that applies here several times on this thread. I assume you’ve ignored it as you disagree. I don’t want to share an office with unvaccinated people who are more likely to have and hence to transmit COVID to me.

@timeisnotaline

I’ve stated my exact same reasoning that applies here several times on this thread. I assume you’ve ignored it as you disagree. I don’t want to share an office with unvaccinated people who are more likely to have and hence to transmit COVID to me.

That’s a ‘you’ problem. It’s a problem of perception.

How can you ever live a normal life if you don’t feel safe right now with a vaccine? How can you go shopping, travelling, go to any indoor event or conference?

The vaccine will protect you from death or severe symptoms, so it literally doesn’t matter what someone else puts in their body. It’s safe to go to your office, even if it doesn’t ‘feel’ safe (I feel like this on flights—it doesn’t feel safe even though it absolutely is)

Actually it’s mandatory right now to have a vaccine to go into a non essential shop. I’m pregnant so we click and collect or my husband goes for food shop etc. no one can go travelling without being vaccinated, no one is allowed into an event or a conference to be vaccinated. I couldn’t take my son to a party at a venue later this month if I werent vaccinated, or to their swimming lessons as I wouldn’t be allowed into a pool. I can’t sit down at a cafe or restaurant or go to the cinemas or gym if not vaccinated. So I’m pretty comfortable that they are all an acceptable risk level. I wouldn’t see unvaccinated friends in my house, but I don’t have any of those for that to be a concern. Not quite the gotcha you thought it was.

You have an unvaccinated son.

Honestly, how long will you demand indoor spaces be only open to the vaccinated? You are pregnant, you will eventually have to go to a hospital that has unvaccinated people.

Pretty soon, we’ll all need a third shot to be considered fully vaccinated. Do you really want to be on this treadmill for the foreseeable future?

It’s especially egregious in that the people who tend to get sick and die from COVID are not working age people. It’s targeting the wrong set of people.

Why will I have to go to a hospital with unvaccinated people? It’s a small private hospital, all staff vaccinated, all patients temperature checked on arrival, very limited contact with other mums for check up ie there are sometimes a couple in the waiting room, not enough others around to come within a couple of metres, and once 37 weeks if not vaccinated a mum needs weekly testing and unvaccinated partners won’t be allowed in. I will have barely any contact and no care from unvaccinated people.
I do have unvaccinated children, I can only mitigate risk to a reasonable level and that’s through vaccinating.

@MalagaNights

Has anyone listened to this?

She talks about not being a radical feminist, how she no longer uses the term patriarchy, how she's moved from being left wing to now voting conservative and would have voted for Trump over Biden.

She talks about how some feminists are now attacking her.

She's left Canada and moved to Mexico because of her concerns with free speech and authoritarianism.

Anyone else heard this, or resonate with her move away from some femininist ideology and current 'progressive' ideology?

It resonates with me and I think the trans issue has been central in both these respects.

If anything I’ve moved more towards the traditional materialist left over this. And away from madly neoliberal individualists.

@NiceGerbil

'That's just saying it's manipulative to try and make rational arguments about issues. So awful, using reason to try and make your point, expecting logical consistency.'

In general laws are about things like harm, social views, religious views, views of those in power, reactions to things that happen. That sort of thing. They're not to do with logical consistency.

What?

This is just completely false. It's not how the law works.

Do people seriously not understand how legal reasoning works?! Or that it exists at all?

Oh come off it. You know that laws aren't any logic! I mean seriously?

Why are the drug laws so illogical? If not for historical and political reasons?

Why are abortion laws different in different parts of the UK? If it's to do with logic?

If you can explain how those laws are logical and consistent then I'd be really interested as... I can't see any possible way to argue that are based in logic...

I can't believe you're serious!

If it's all logic why are all the debates etc needed when so many laws are created or altered?

I enjoy chatting to you but I don't think that point is one of your best!

of course megan murphy wants us to connect her anti vaxxing to reproductive healthcare but this shows her own lack of internal logic her statement that she would vote for trump, an alleged rapist, who appointed a pro lifer on the supreme court and leads a party that is now dismantling women's reproductive healthcare in the US flatly contradicts her claims to support any other woman's right to choose. very glad to hear she left canada. so many nazis escaped to south america after the war. she must have family down there then.

@NiceGerbil

I can't believe you're serious!

If it's all logic why are all the debates etc needed when so many laws are created or altered?

I enjoy chatting to you but I don't think that point is one of your best!

Legal reasoning is one of the basic elements of how the courts make decisions. And precedent is one element of that too. What do you think a legal precedent is?

It really doesn't matter if you like the decisions courts make or personally think they are logical, it's not an opinion. It's a fact. There are thousands of articles and books on the topic, on how judges can and must make decisions, what they have to consider.

Why do you think women here are concerned about the implications in law to some of the decisions being made? It's a system of thought. If one type of case establishes that we can be forced or strongly pressured to accept invasive medical care if it is in the public good, it will affect other rulings on similar topics.

Aside from talking about precedent this article has links to a lot of other relevent principles related to legal decision making and reasoning. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent It really isn't something I am making up. Argue it with the legal system.