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Woman’s Hour presents the porn-for-children slot

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Tesla73 · 18/08/2021 09:55

Saw this article from TCW site which shows that once again Auntie Beeb shows its hand in terms of corrupting children

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/womans-hour-presents-the-porn-for-children-slot/

The interesting thing is that this has even been picked up a group in the US and the petition enclosed has upped its target as it beat its original one

www.returntoorder.org/petition/protest-bbcs-push-for-childrens-pornography/

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kumquat365 · 19/08/2021 10:26

No, I'm saying that we try to discuss things here without doing a Daily Mail-style knee-jerk reaction. Considered, cool analysis rather than emotive and impassioned ranting.

Tibtom · 19/08/2021 10:30

But you couldn't answer my question: are there no absolutes? Without resorting to name-calling.

kumquat365 · 19/08/2021 10:52

I didn't call you names. I asked you to raise the level of debate.

I don't know if there are absolutes or not. I support the law on murder, sexual abuse, slavery etc. But I try to be open to rational argument about why things might need to be changed or done differently due to changing circumstances. I do know that whenever anyone in my life has said 'This isn't up for discussion' that there's been an awful lot to discuss.

In this particular case, we already know that a great many children are exposed to pornography, in some cases extreme pornography, and some of the children see it at a very early age. Having a debate about how to tackle this issue and discussing whether it might be appropriate to use some carefully chosen images as a teaching tool is perfectly legitimate.

You don't have to be a leftie to wonder whether the Conservatives, who favour defunding the BBC so that we're left with a largely unaccountable privately-owned media, might have a vested interest in getting people worked up into a lather about it. Just look again at the first line of Tesla's OP:

Saw this article from TCW site which shows that once again Auntie Beeb shows its hand in terms of corrupting children

That's hardly a neutral statement, is it? And when you look into it a bit further the BBC was only asking whether it's a good idea or not.

Artichokeleaves · 19/08/2021 13:59

Its amazing how you will always find someone who wants to do the whole reasonable sounding request to please indulge them in holding a nice, leisurely intellectual wank over something that in all reality is not something that should ever be up for discussion.

It's almost always someone wholly unaffected by the issues and so can enjoy a theoretical debate from a very comfortable theoretical difference, and often uses shaming, scolding, reproach and hints of 'well behaved women' or 'sufficiently open minded women' or 'women who aren't prudes/bigots/other useful names' would dabble about in discussion with them without fussing.

No. This is an insane idea, it should never have been raised on women's hour and those who raised it have lost any grip on normal social boundaries, and no, 'raising the level of discussion' does not mean anyone is compelled to indulge intellectualising and theorising over something that is indefensible. Way too many women and children's boundaries are currently being trampled under this approach. No thank you.

nauticant · 19/08/2021 14:30

Did anyone else here listen to the programme? Most of the discussion seems to be based on what people think might have been in the programme rather than what actually was. It is possible to listen to the programme to have an informed view:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ycvs

Porn made especially for teenagers: what do you think? In a now deleted but much discussed and decried tweet last week the journalist Flora Gill suggested "entry level" porn should be made available to teenagers as an antidote to the hard core material they’re already accessing online. Does she have a point? We talk to journalist and author Eleanor Mills, and Lucy Emmerson from the Sex Education Forum.

Jaysmith71 · 19/08/2021 14:36

"Entry-Level" porn? Can they hear themselves?

Anyway, why wait until they're teenagers? What about some reception-class porn: Thomas The Tonk Engine. Peppa Pig Meets David Cameron. That sort of thing?

(I'm just asking the question.)

Artichokeleaves · 19/08/2021 15:17

Relevant article.

fitzfromdublin.substack.com/p/pride-vs-privacy

"The most obvious one was this Washington Post editorial about exposing children Kink during pride. This got lots of attention and mockery - mainly because of the grotesque and quasi-paedophilic idea that we should seek to expose children to adult horniness........Every liberal principle is followed to and past it’s logical conclusion and into black absurdity. You could call our current system Metastasized Liberalism."

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