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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Just feel a bit despairing today

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Mallowmazing · 13/08/2021 21:03

  • Incel shootings dismissed as “not terrorism”
  • Women campaigning for women’s rights taken to court
  • Crimes against women not being counted as hate crimes

Why won’t they listen to us? Why can’t they see these things are part of a pattern?

Feeling hopeless. How would you go about explaining systemic sexism to someone who just doesn’t see it?

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 14/08/2021 18:40

How would you go about explaining systemic sexism to someone who just doesn’t see it?

I've been thinking about this - and I realise this has correspondences for disaffected groups, but I keep reminding myself that women hold up half the sky. What comes to mind is Vasily Grossman's character, Viktor Shtrum, in his novel Life and Fate (Shtrum is living under a totalitarian regime but I think systemic sexism has strong similarities with the visceral writing here):

But an invisible force was crushing him. He could feel its weight, its hypnotic power; it was forcing him to think as it wanted, to write as it dictated. This force was inside him; it could dissolve his will and cause his heart to stop beating; it came between him and his family; it insinuated itself into his past, into his childhood memories. He began to feel that he really was untalented and boring, someone who wore out the people around him with dull chatter. Even his work seemed to have grown dull, to be covered with a layer of dust; the thought of it no longer filled him with light and joy.

Only people who have never felt such a force themselves can be surprised that others submit to it. Those who have felt it, on the other hand, feel astonished that a man can rebel against it even for a moment—with one sudden word of anger, one timid gesture of protest.

I usually think about this in the context of freedom - but when you asked about systemic sexism, this is what came to mind.

Mallowmazing · 14/08/2021 20:18

That last paragraph is so powerful. Immediately brings to mind how hard it can be to say things like “women are female” now.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 14/08/2021 20:41

@Mallowmazing

That last paragraph is so powerful. Immediately brings to mind how hard it can be to say things like “women are female” now.
In case you haven't seen it:

what if truth becomes a crime?
would you say it, given time?

what if I hit you in the head?
what if I claim you want me dead?

would you say it for a judge?
why oh why will you not budge?

Irischild: I will not say it

PumpkinSpiceWoman · 15/08/2021 23:36

LOL, you really, really want to convince yourselves that someone will end up in prison over some ribbons!

Waitwhat23 · 16/08/2021 00:17

Oh look, our regular plopper. @pumpkinspicewoman Anything of actual value to add or just your usual one-line and then no return?

You'd think with the amount of time you spend on here, making comments, that you'd actually engage with the discussion.

Any comments about women not being covered by Scottish Government's Hate Crime Bill? Any comments about Police investigating stickers saying 'women won't wheesht' as a hate crime until forced to back down in the face of public ridicule? Any comments about the rise of incel behaviour?

Anything? At all?

LazyViper · 16/08/2021 09:11

OP Flowers. You are definitely not alone. Not that his helps much, but we’re right there with you.

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