Incels as terrorists

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AssassinatedBeauty · 13/08/2021 11:04

The shootings yesterday were apparently carried out by a man who posted youtube videos about his affinity with incel ideology, as well as rants about women. Yet all the reporting about this is quite clear to state that the shootings aren't "terror related". Are women and girls as a specific target group not subject to the same considerations as everyone else?? If this man was part of an ideological group that professed hate for non-white people, or people of a certain religion then these crimes would be considered as terrorism.

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urbanbuddha · 14/08/2021 14:26

Sorry, wrong thread.

DisgustedofManchester · 14/08/2021 23:02

@AssassinatedBeauty

Racist attacks are not terrorism, they are hate crimes. Incel attacks against women are hate crimes. Its a grey thin line between that and actually terrorising women as well. I see the murderer was also transphobic. Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet....

Waitwhat23 · 14/08/2021 23:29

As a pp has pointed out, in Scotland under the Hate Crime Bill, incel attacks against women are not hate crimes as sex is not included as a category to be protected under the Bill. We have instead been offered a toothless 'Misogny Working Group' which is unlikely to come to any conclusions/action points in the next year or so. Requests were made to include women under the Hate Crime Act until the Misogny Working Group had produced their findings. This was denied.

FOJN · 15/08/2021 08:07

Many of you are saying you “knew what it was” once terrorism had been ruled out, but I bet almost all of you initially thought that it was something closer to the attacks we’ve seen in London (as I did)

Like a PP my first thought was family murder. When his age was reported I knew his mother was one of the victims before it was reported.

I have to say the comments on that Daily Mail article are encouraging. I was expecting lots of “feminism is to blame” tripe but no.

I've been quite surprised by this too. Another incel on Twitter was claiming the women of Plymouth should shoulder responsibility for this man's actions, there were many responses condemning the tweet, only one supporting.

TheMarzipanDildo · 15/08/2021 08:19

SmokedDuck

I know that the widening of the definition of terrorism occurred so the government could treat its perpetrators differently. However, I fail to see how committing a mass shouting in the name of inceldom is any less ideological than committing it in the name of religion. The incels have a ‘language’ and vision for the future. It’s not just about generalised hatred of women.

IvyTwines2 · 15/08/2021 08:50

I've just been listening to an interview with a Professor from the University of Bucks. on Radio 5 (begins around 8.20 this morning) talking about the internet spread of "so-called Libertarian movements of the USA" , and, besides incels, spoke of 'other groups who reinforce themselves on social media' attacking women. I think we should think of them as akin to religious movements and with a similar endgame of imposing social control, and I really recommend the historian Norman Cohn's series of books beginning with 'The Pursuit of the Millennium' for an examination of historical cult-like behaviour, including witch hunts.

secular111 · 15/08/2021 10:14

Other than perhaps the LSE (London School of Economics) I'd struggle to think of any recognisable structure in England that would identify as an incel grouping/organisation that wasn't online-only. And LSE only revealed itself recently as a woman-hating educational establishment. And the LSE's incel cell residing in its Gender Studies Faculty, though woman-hating, comes principally from the perspective of the TRA/MRA's.

The 'incel movement' It has no leadership, and I don't reckon even the Gender Studies Faculty head of the LSE would be willing to identify as an incel-leader (being female I doubt she'd be accepted). With no leaders there are no policies agreed and no direction adopted, it's not really a movement, more a collective expression of hatred of women expressed by some men, aided by some women.

The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incels

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/08/2021 12:24

The 'incel movement' It has no leadership

It feels like an morphic resonance (below) of angry men who then intersect online when they start searching and are led through 'faciliatative algorithms' on their journey where they meet others like them. There is no leadership nor a set of policies yet there are shared perspectives and animosities, common anger that manifests in similar ways.

Morphic resonance, Sheldrake says, is "the idea of mysterious telepathy-type interconnections between organisms and of collective memories within species" and accounts for phantom limbs, how dogs know when their owners are coming home, and how people know when someone is staring at them.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/08/2021 14:42

Laura Bates in Telegraph:
I went undercover in the incel community to try to understand men like Jake Davison
If we're going to tackle the incel ideology and its violent hatred of women, we must describe it as the unacceptable extremism it is

archive version of the article: archive.is/Yd56N

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/14/went-undercover-incel-community-try-understand-men-like-jake/

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