Indigenous mothers but Western parents

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I've noticed a trend to call white women especially by some other 'inclusive' word, but find that women from other parts of the world are still 'mother' and 'woman'. What effect does this have mums? other mothers

Thank you for sharing, this is an interesting perspective…

Similarly women and girls in rural India need single-sex toilets for their safety, but females in the West are expected to use mixed-sex toilets.

It is an extremely racist and white supremacist view.

I am an indigenous mother and also white as are all indigenous mothers in the UK. But somehow I guess we are the wrong kind of indigenous mothers and I suspect this statement may instead be considered racist?

@Tibtom

I am an indigenous mother and also white as are all indigenous mothers in the UK. But somehow I guess we are the wrong kind of indigenous mothers and I suspect this statement may instead be considered racist?

It is, isn't it. The use of 'indigenous' and 'native' is rarely used for white Europeans and of course this is already weaponised as fascist to centre poor white women. I think that in the UK setting it is a class issue. The breastfeeding charities are made up of women who at least some tertiary education in primarily academic rather than technical fields and are really poorly placed to address the needs of the white working class women.

Perhaps it shows the underlying racism of transactivism, that the claim that trans women want to be a woman — in fact, is based on a caricature of the male definition of “femininity” which is based on stereotypes of western women.

This despite the fact that cisnormativity is a Western hegemonic neocolonial imposition on people of colour who left to their own devices would be happily identifying as over a hundred different genders.

@Jaysmith71

This despite the fact that cisnormativity is a Western hegemonic neocolonial imposition on people of colour who left to their own devices would be happily identifying as over a hundred different genders.

lol, no.

jay comes along to add some rubbish.

@Jaysmith71

This despite the fact that cisnormativity is a Western hegemonic neocolonial imposition on people of colour who left to their own devices would be happily identifying as over a hundred different genders.

This is sarcasm right?

Just checking, who knows nowadays.

I agree tho. As white working class, I am going to start defining myself as 'an economically disadvantaged indiginous woman'

@Jaysmith71

This despite the fact that cisnormativity is a Western hegemonic neocolonial imposition on people of colour who left to their own devices would be happily identifying as over a hundred different genders.

Another one hoping this is sarcasm.

I feel the need to check, given the obscurantist wordy bollocks so often produced as statements of fact these days.

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The 'intersectionality feminism' types like to go on about how amazingly privileged white women are and how they should move over and listen to everyone else. Especially that one 'most oppressed' group that we all know about.

As if class didn't matter, or there were no poor white women.
As if sex itself weren't an axis of oppression.

Racism means that, all else being equal, a white person will likely have an advantage over a person who isn't white. And certain individuals have taken that fact and used it to demonise white women. But of course it's much more complicated than that - which is what intersectionality theory is supposed to address. But it's not really fit for purpose now.

The lumping together of all ‘western’ or ‘white’ women on one ‘side’ vs all women from the rest of the world seems extremely racist to me. Wokeness appears to be an attitude entirely from young, educated, middle class people - I don’t think most of them have any idea of the reality of life for many of the less fortunate women in society. There’s also a naive (or patronising?) tendency to romanticise the lives of other people - are they living in grinding poverty, oppressed by a lack of education or a colourful traditional lifestyle/culture that needs protecting?
I think we could discuss this for months - it’s a really interesting aspect and very difficult to pick apart without falling into cliches and judgements. I have no idea what the answer is! But I know that it makes me uncomfortable.

@dyslek

I agree tho. As white working class, I am going to start defining myself as 'an economically disadvantaged indiginous woman'

And why not? The word 'indigenous' has been restricted to brown people that anthropologists go to away from European and N. American universities to study.

It is similar where Europeans and N. Americans migrating for work in second countries are 'expats' but brown people doing the same as 'economic migrants' or economic 'refugees'.

There is a racist/classist implications of definitions is something that trans ideology uses frequently and disingenuously in order to reach its goals.

Perhaps it shows the underlying racism of transactivism, that the claim that trans women want to be a woman — in fact, is based on a caricature of the male definition of “femininity” which is based on stereotypes of western women

THIS.

On TIKTOK we're known as 'colonisers' now - see also snow monkeys/ snow roaches. And white women are not seen as less culpable than white men for some reason...

And yes I agree. I am indigenous to England. But apparently that doesn't mean the same thing.... even though I'm here, where my ancestors were on their own land. Indigenously.

I wonder if the reason for this trend is that applying dehumanising “woke” language to non-white groups of women makes it so much more obviously dehumanising?

Even “indigenous parents” sounds mildly dodgy. “Indigenous human milk feeders” or whatever sounds flat out like a colonist who doesn’t view indigenous people as people. Remember they called Black mothers “Black birthing bodies?” There was a lot of pushback. It’s extra disgusting because of the echoes of slavery.

I think they’re (unconsciously?) trying to normalise applying this dehumanising language to white women first so they won’t be called racist (misogyny doesn’t matter in woke country.) If it becomes more normalised they’ll push it on everyone.

It is similar where Europeans and N. Americans migrating for work in second countries are 'expats' but brown people doing the same as 'economic migrants' or economic 'refugees'.

Ex pats are generally different in that they are still employed by a company in their own country - they are on expat contracts rather than local contracts. Expat contracts tend to reflect employment law in their own country and they pay tax at home (which is why many only stay in the uk 4 years as then their tax status changes). Their contracts are also likely to include return travel home. I know a lot of 'brown' or nonwestern expats.

Economic migrants/refugees tend to arrive in a country to look for a local job, pay local taxes, and stay longer term.

@Tibtom

It is similar where Europeans and N. Americans migrating for work in second countries are 'expats' but brown people doing the same as 'economic migrants' or economic 'refugees'.

Ex pats are generally different in that they are still employed by a company in their own country - they are on expat contracts rather than local contracts. Expat contracts tend to reflect employment law in their own country and they pay tax at home (which is why many only stay in the uk 4 years as then their tax status changes). Their contracts are also likely to include return travel home. I know a lot of 'brown' or nonwestern expats.

Economic migrants/refugees tend to arrive in a country to look for a local job, pay local taxes, and stay longer term.

No. the vast majority of 'expats' these days are not employed by companies from their home countries. 'Expat' is used now applied liberally abroad, not just for the small sector you're describing above. Your scenario may have been more prevalent until the 70s or 80s but not for a long time now. Many also go abroad and work illegally in developing countries. Eg. As divemasters in the Caribbean, directly competing with local dive masters. Many foreign owned businesses in the third world hire 'their own', even bring in their own and work get them 'hired' by abusing local labour laws and lack of oversight by small countries with few avenues to root them out. I am one of those 'brown' expats, lol. But I wouldn't call myself that. I'm an economic migrant.

But you've missed the point entirely. The point was that language use is slanted to reflect favourably on those usually from the European/ North American/Australian continents. It is odd in this case that limiting woman and mother to only indigenous women ends up othering all women.