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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Watch me take a knife to your throat" - I feel like this one needs a warning for the threats and sexual references to what women are.

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SnoopyLights · 09/08/2021 21:04

I'm not sure if there's been a thread already on this article from The Critic. I've just read it and I'm less shocked than I should be that it took complaints on Twitter to force the LSE to remove a student paper, presented at an MSc Gender Studies conference, threatening to slit women's throats as "not abiding by the school's Code of Practice on Free Speech" and only after the author was invited to present it for a second time at another conference.

thecritic.co.uk/watch-me-take-a-knife-to-your-throat/?fbclid=IwAR3z7Cat5hmC-ugzajr3L0JS4CQ4tBv1QfHPIg_quxecQDVvkxPFEHM2vt4

Threats of violence against “trans exclusionary” or “gender critical” feminists — who do not believe that people can change sex merely by announcing preferred pronouns or wearing different clothes — have become ubiquitous on social media. It is nevertheless surprising to discover that such threats can now be submitted as academic work for a master’s degree.

The London School of Economics held a conference in April 2021 for students taking the MSc in Gender (Sexuality). One session was entitled “No Time, No TERFs, No Norms”; the disparaging acronym stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. A paper in the session concluded:

“If TERFs think trans* is an endemic threat to feminism, let us be the threat to feminism… Picture this: I hold a knife to your throat and spit my transness into your ear. Does that turn you on? Are you scared? I sure fucking hope so.”

This violent fantasy — laced with sexual menace — was written by a male student who identifies as “genderfuck” and asserts “they/them” pronouns. Apparently no one in the class found his paper (which contributes 30 per cent towards the course mark) out of the ordinary. It was praised by students as “insightful and provocative” and “poignant, funny and enraging”. Indeed, the author was rewarded with an invitation to present the same paper at another conference in the LSE’s Department of Gender Studies.

The paper is a mash-up of postmodern bullshit and incel resentment.

The paper is worth reading to appreciate what passes for graduate-level work in Gender Studies. The paper is a mash-up of postmodern bullshit — far beyond the wildest imaginings of Alan Sokal or Peter Boghossian, James Lindsay, and Helen Pluckrose — and incel resentment. The author decries the “imagined trans* threat” promulgated by “TERFs” like JK Rowling. To refute this perceived threat, he promises to “take my knife to your throat” and declares “I am the butcher”. The author’s chief inspiration is Andrea Long Chu, a sissy-porn enthusiast who defines femaleness as “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes”.

If any students taking the course disagreed with such a definition, how openly could they express their views in class? When a student threatens to knife anyone who challenges him, it hardly fosters an atmosphere of open discussion, in which diverse perspectives on sex and gender can be freely debated. The Department proudly quotes a former student saying, “LSE Gender was a safe space for me to share my inner voices,” but evidently safety is denied to anyone who questions the most extreme version of transgender ideology — which of course is also rejected by some people who identify as transgender.

The student’s paper was initially exposed by Sex Matters, the organization — founded by Rebecca Bull, Naomi Cunningham, Maya Forstater, and Emma Hilton — campaigning for sex to be recognized in laws and language. (I am one of its Directors.) The volume of criticism ensuing on Twitter forced the LSE to acknowledge that the paper “did not abide by the School’s Code of Practice on Free Speech” and to remove it from the conference website. This response is completely inadequate. For one thing, this student has made explicit sexualized threats of violence against women, and by his own admission poses a danger to students and staff.

In this view, anyone recognizing the reality of sex inflicts harm on people who deny that reality.

Of greater concern is what this episode reveals about the culture of the Department of Gender Studies. It recently accused “those espousing gender critical perspectives” of making “transphobic, discriminatory, inaccurate, and harmful claims about trans people specifically, and gender more broadly”. In this view, anyone who recognizes the reality of sex is inflicting harm on people who deny that reality: such harm justifies retaliatory violence. It is evident that such hyperbolic accusations have created an environment where a student can boast about butchering feminists who refuse to submit to his ideology.

Sex Matters has written to the LSE’s Director, Dame Minouche Shafik, demanding an independent investigation into the culture of the Department of Gender Studies and a commitment to end the hostile environment for students and staff espousing gender-critical views. Those views, incidentally, are shared by most of the British public and have been ruled — in Maya Forstater’s Employment Appeal Tribunal — as protected beliefs under the Equality Act. Now that the erosion of academic freedom at LSE has culminated in threats of physical violence, the university must act swiftly to restore its reputation.

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Thelnebriati · 09/08/2021 22:13

Some of us don't need to imagine what that would be like.

Imagine the outcry if the perpetrator and victim were reversed.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/08/2021 22:28

Thread with earlier discussion of the paper delivered at an LSE event and the Critic article:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4306671-From-LSE-Gender-Studies-paper-via-Sex-Matters

LazyViper · 10/08/2021 09:28

Terrifying that this violent misogynist fantasy passed muster as a piece of serious study even for a second.

Why does the LSE offer genderwoo courses in the first place? Isn’t it supposed to have a reputation for academic rigour?

Jackgrealishscurtains · 10/08/2021 09:37

Whaaaat?!

ShortBacknSides · 10/08/2021 10:28

Imagine the outcry if the perpetrator and victim were reversed.

Exactly.

What's that adage: "You know who's in charge by whom you're not allowed to criticise."

(I'm sure there's a snappier version of that ... Grin

SnoopyLights · 10/08/2021 21:11

@EmbarrassingAdmissions - thanks for linking to the other thread, I thought there would be one but I hadn't found it.

@ShortBacknSides - that's true, you cannot criticise, and how is anyone supposed to object to these threats when the paper is being endorsed and applauded and the tiniest objection will have you branded a bigot?

How is any woman not meant to find this definition of femaleness terrifying? - “an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes”.

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nauticant · 10/08/2021 21:28

What's that adage: "You know who's in charge by whom you're not allowed to criticise."

I don't mean to be the thread police but I'd suggest being careful with using that quote:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-34971951

Valeriekat · 17/08/2021 10:33

How is Voltaire a Neo n*zi please?

AssassinatedBeauty · 17/08/2021 10:41

Voltaire isn't a neo Nazi. The quote is often misattributed to Voltaire, but it is actually by US white supremacist Kevin Alfred Strom.

Tablow · 17/08/2021 10:48

I can't understand why this type of writing wouldn't be flagged immediately to the senior tutor because the individual is clearly disturbed

Artichokeleaves · 17/08/2021 10:56

I'm glad this has reached the press, although it should have been national news.

Just compare the two ideas:

  • believing in biological sex is an act of violence and should be criminalised.
  • talking in really disturbing detail in public, to a large audience, with the support of the university and in their name, about fantasies of sexual violence and murder of women who say no to you is absolutely perfectly fine, just sadly didn't quite comply with the freedom of speech policy on later consideration.

There is only a very, very tiny percentage of people who will not immediately see what is very wrong about all this.

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