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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is it OK to laugh at men in dresses?

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Womanwearingtrousers · 09/08/2021 19:13

Regular poster but NC as this is outing.

I've recently seen several different performances from a rep company and it's made me muse on the subject of men in dresses.

The nature of the company and the plays they put on means that in some roles the sexes have been switched so a woman plays a role originally intended for a man but as a woman, and vice versa. All quite standard.

In some cases however, men are required to play women and women to play men. Again, not unusual.

When the women play men, they may play it for laughs but it doesn't have much of an effect. Women in men's clothes or with fake beards aren't automatically funny apparently.

Where the men play women, simply seeing men in dresses provokes much hilarity. The hilarity is accepted and expected.

I'm assured some people find Mrs Brown's Boys hilarious. Again, largely due to a man in women's clothes. Same with pantomime dames.

There are some similarities with drag, though I know that's a grey area now with some claiming to be TW.

All these scenarios appeal to different audiences, but the reaction is always that laughter based merely on appearance and not the performance is accepted and expected.

If any of these men dressed in this manner and said they identified as women, they would be told how fabulous they were, how amazing they look. There would be no place for even the slightest snigger at a male with a beard in a dress. There would also be abuse, for sure, but that's not my point.

I don't personally find such things amusing because I don't think a man is demeaned by wearing a dress and we should be past that.

I'm just confused. Aren't actors / theatres all very progressive and TWAW? Does the BBC have no issue with Mrs Brown's Boys given their stance on these matters?

Why is it sometimes ok to find it funny/unexpected to see a male wearing a dress and other times not?

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DottyHarmer · 11/08/2021 10:57

Re the Romans, I am currently watching I Claudius (brilliant!) and I can’t say that most of the men do justice to their tunics. Thick or bandy legs are better off in a pair of trousers. At least in mediaeval times they could wear a nice pair of hose. Same for women really! I rarely impose my white tree trunks on polite society!

SmokedDuck · 11/08/2021 15:21

Yeah, tunics with bad legs are not so attractive. But I suppose maybe the Romans were used to seeing men's legs more often and had a more realistic sense of how they look. I've seen some actors I thought were quite attractive generally in a tunic, or worse, a toga, and they weren't all that flattering.

hoodathunkit · 11/08/2021 15:57

I find Jordan Peele in drag to be absolutely wonderful

some of my favourites, there are many others

I don't find any of the above to be misogynistic or even mildly challenging

I think that contexts is important

BaronMunchausen · 12/08/2021 09:48

There are not many clothes for example that are associated exclusively with men that women also can't wear and be perfectly socially acceptable.
True. There is a predilection on the part of transwomen to wear stereotypically feminine attire, often noticeable in the company of women who are dressed simply in jeans/trousers and t-shirt/jumper.

Emilia Decaudin, who took a district leader seat in New York reserved for women, is an example of a transwoman who appears to wear particularly tight dresses to accentuate their penis. In a way that I imagine a 'cis man' wouldn't get away with...

highame · 12/08/2021 14:08

Some Like It Hot - nothing else to say really, just adding because I love this film

KimikosNightmare · 12/08/2021 20:17

@highame

Some Like It Hot - nothing else to say really, just adding because I love this film
I was watching clips of it. Marilyn Monroe really was something special.
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