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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So I just got an email from Schuh…

106 replies

SnuggleWuggle · 05/08/2021 18:45

Lecturing on the importance of pronouns including some I’d never heard of before (zhe?) and being inclusive

Then ironically in the email the shoe links - women’s, men’s and children’s

So biology matters with feet but not with reality?!

Mind blown.

Unsubscribed.

I’m so exhausted with this nonsense

OP posts:
Newnewnew1179 · 05/08/2021 21:03

@Triphazards

My pronouns are schuh/shoe.

For at least the next 14 minutes.

That’s v funny 😂
museumsandgalleries666 · 05/08/2021 21:05

@Tablow

What sizes are the men's and women's shoes in though? I bet a lot of the women's shoes don't go up to size 12
They might if a trans person wants to wear them 🤣
NewlyGranny · 05/08/2021 21:06

I always assumed zhe and zher were pronounced with the zh sound from Dr Zhivago, or the s from the middle of television.

I think it's smart to choose pronouns people will struggle to pronounce on sight, though. It doubles the opportunities for being offended experiencing literal violence if people can still be wrong even when they remember.

bonfireheart · 05/08/2021 21:09

twitter.com/JNSbeth/status/1423359581091213319?s=19

For those wanting to see the email.

NewlyGranny · 05/08/2021 21:10

So Schuh effectively caters for transmen but not transwomen, then? How very non-inclusive of them. Is that actual hate, I wonder, or do they just need to educate themselves?

OverByYer · 05/08/2021 21:10

I had the same email, unsubscribed and deleted. Give us all a bloody break

UserStillatLarge · 05/08/2021 21:11

As a woman who's worn size 9 shoes since age 10 and has wider feet than are normally accommodated by the few size 9 women's shoes that shops manage to stock (I've been basically buying "men's" shoes for years) .... I would actually consider it to be a good thing if shoe shops started stocking more styles aimed at women in bigger sizes to cater for all types of "women".

Or we could just do away with men's and women's shoes and sell them based on length and width?

FindTheTruth · 05/08/2021 21:13

Thanks bonfire. what a lecturing message to customers! I guess they're declaring their religion and that non-believers are not welcome. well ok then.

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 21:18

Again these things sound all lovely in writing but it's never explained how it works in real life.

'It's important to ask how a person identifies and respect their answer'

What, everyone?
Just in some situations?
Only in ones where you might refer to them when not there?
Genderfluid etc means you should check every time you see someone in case has changed?
What if they have no idea what you're talking about?
Age range? Toddlers up? Your elderly grandparent?
People who don't live here and it's not s thing where they're from?

I mean it can't be just people who look like they may have a,.. diverse identity? Because that's oppressive to trans folx, they're supposed to look a certain way?

Etc etc.

NotLizzie · 05/08/2021 21:30

When they offered the option to sign up for marketing emails I don’t suppose they said you were also signing up for political/ideological emails? Assuming they didn’t this is a misuse of your personal information in relation to direct marketing and they should be reported to the ICO.

Here’s the link for reporting spam mail which this is closest to ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/nuisance-calls-and-messages/spam-emails/

The more complaints made the better in terms of whether they will do anything

Boozysoozy1 · 05/08/2021 21:35

Unsubscribed, thank you

Boozysoozy1 · 05/08/2021 21:40

Also reported to ICO. Thanks for the link

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 05/08/2021 21:41

@NotLizzie

When they offered the option to sign up for marketing emails I don’t suppose they said you were also signing up for political/ideological emails? Assuming they didn’t this is a misuse of your personal information in relation to direct marketing and they should be reported to the ICO.

Here’s the link for reporting spam mail which this is closest to ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/nuisance-calls-and-messages/spam-emails/

The more complaints made the better in terms of whether they will do anything

Brava.

Nice strategy.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 05/08/2021 21:41

It's linked with "The Proud Trust" of sex-ed dice game fame.

Ninkanink · 05/08/2021 21:42

Oh god really? That shit gets everywhere.

whatthejiggeries · 05/08/2021 22:39

Thank you - I hadn't opened it. Now I have and have unsubscribed

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 05/08/2021 22:44

@whatthejiggeries

Thank you - I hadn't opened it. Now I have and have unsubscribed
Are you going to complain to ICO?

Did you unsubscribe and say #nothankyou ? Grin

Mumteedum · 05/08/2021 22:46

Just leaving this here... Wink

CrazyNeighbour · 05/08/2021 22:50

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 23:00

They are-

Upholding the idea that shoe styles are gendered (no heels in the men's section)
Making non inclusive assumptions about general foot size of male / female and worse directly linking what sounds like biological essentialism to the words man/ woman.

I mean all of it results in a very invalidating experience for eg a male non binary person with a femme presentation at the weekends.

Winenota · 05/08/2021 23:24

I’m a scheh

SpinTheTeacups · 05/08/2021 23:51

I got it too.

Thank you for the link to the ICO NotLizzie, complained and unsubscribed.

TerraNovaTwo · 05/08/2021 23:54

Do that have heels and pretty sandals up to size 12 then? Grin

NiceGerbil · 05/08/2021 23:56

Take a wild guess Grin

PamDenick · 06/08/2021 00:01

Oh zchno! What Zchoes shall I buy now for my zchfeet?

Zschuch a zschame!

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