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Great article: The shame of BBC Sport

42 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 03/08/2021 11:02

thecritic.co.uk/the-shame-of-bbc-sport/

and if you are sufficiently enraged:

Someone on twitter has done a good 'how to complain' and skeleton complaint re this latest BBC farce

twitter.com/sleeepysandy/status/1422220037117685765

docs.google.com/document/d/16RY_yTbPVeGhFQsbvVpGnRhXcs0181AiP5uFqL_n24c/edit

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PickAChew · 03/08/2021 23:26

Here

Great article: The shame of BBC Sport
Freespeecher · 04/08/2021 17:16

Does any expression of doubt or uncertainty on contentious topics now count as hate?

NotNowFGS · 04/08/2021 19:01

I was on Facebook at lunchtime today, very briefly. Did I see BBC Sport double down and post the same article and the same warning to GC viewers? Just looked again and can't find it now. Did anyone else see this?

viques · 04/08/2021 19:58

[quote ChristinaXYZ]thecritic.co.uk/the-shame-of-bbc-sport/

and if you are sufficiently enraged:

Someone on twitter has done a good 'how to complain' and skeleton complaint re this latest BBC farce

twitter.com/sleeepysandy/status/1422220037117685765

docs.google.com/document/d/16RY_yTbPVeGhFQsbvVpGnRhXcs0181AiP5uFqL_n24c/edit[/quote]
Thanks for highlighting this. Well worth reading the other article by Madison Smith called Every Sport is Male Sport which has a depressing list of mediocre male athletes who have “transitioned” and found instant success in women sport. These people are cheats, just as much as if they were taking performance enhancing drugs . If fair play means nothing in sport anymore then there’s not much point is there.

If only Lance Armstrong had sussed out transitioning, how different his legacy would have been.

GreatAuntEmily · 06/08/2021 07:17

I think the BBC tried to do some mitigating today... Michael Jordan wisely and calmly explaining to the fabulous Claire Balding about DSDs and some of the implications thereof...

What are DSDs

oldwomanwhoruns · 06/08/2021 13:41

I just rec'd (below) what looks like a standard reply to my complaint. I say standard, because it did not address my specific complaints, especially about the threatening of dissenters (ie women) on twitter.
And how dare they describe the use of the word 'cis' as 'the language used ... by relevant groups and authorities'. By the TRAs, yes. Are they the only relevant people? We do NOT use it here.

Thank you for contacting us about an article on the BBC Sport website.

This article – while not a profile piece - contains some key details about Laurel Hubbard’s sporting journey to the Olympics and why her appearance at the Games has caused so much controversy. It explains how she lived as a man for 33 years before returning to sporting competition as a transgender woman in 2017 and looks at the criteria for the Tokyo Olympics which meant that she was able to compete in the women’s weightlifting category. This aspect and the debate around it was the main focus of the piece. The BBC does not, and did not in this article, take an editorial position on Hubbard’s inclusion in this year’s Olympic Games.

The article sets out the policy employed by the International Olympic Committee and adopted by the International Weightlifting Federation which allowed for Laurel Hubbard’s inclusion. It details the previous changes to the policy and the likelihood that the policy will change again in the future. It also sets out some of the latest scientific research into gender transitioning and sporting performance, both from scientists who argue that transwomen have an unfair physical advantage, especially in a sport such as weightlifting, and those that argue the science is not yet clear on the issue when all the factors related to transitioning are taken into consideration.

We included opinions from those in support and those against Hubbard’s inclusion, including Save Women’s Sport Australia, as well as other current weightlifters.

We maintain that this piece appropriately reflected all sides of what is a divisive and complicated subject in a way that was accessible for a large, mainstream audience, and that the language used helps make the many different aspects clear to readers and reflects that used in current conversations on the topic of trans inclusion in sports used by relevant groups and authorities.

Thank you once again for getting in touch and we have shared your concerns with our BBC Sport team.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 06/08/2021 13:56

I've had an identical response. Expected nothing more, but still infuriating.

notagermannoun · 06/08/2021 14:10

@Clymene

That isa great article. I didn't know they'd buried the Navratilova documentary.

It's all so unbelievably sinister. I will be submitting (another) complaint

Christ. Neither did I.

I didn't watch Martina's programme when it was screened, but I have looked for it in vain on the iplayer and YouTube since. Does anyone have a link to it, anywhere?

Sort of censorship that would have done the Eastern Bloc proud.

Jaysmith71 · 06/08/2021 15:04

"The BBC has looked carefully at The BBC and has concluded that the BBC did nothing wrong."

It has a very familiar ring to it.

Jaysmith71 · 06/08/2021 15:09

This is also not available:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04knbny

In which Prof Alice argues that the idea of a gendered brain is guff.

RoyalCorgi · 06/08/2021 15:15

@Jaysmith71

This is also not available:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04knbny

In which Prof Alice argues that the idea of a gendered brain is guff.

Professor Alice is now fully on board the trans train to Wokeville.

Any attempts to politely question her about how she reconciles this with Darwinism, humanism or the lack of gendered brains is generally met with a block and a "woe is me, the feminists are being mean to me".

Jaysmith71 · 06/08/2021 15:20

....and Clownfish.

oldwomanwhoruns · 06/08/2021 16:28

I will be re-complaining. Glinner has some hints Smile

LastSummerHere · 06/08/2021 17:53

I want to point out that Prof. Alice Roberts is a different person than Prof. Alice Sullivan.

Jaysmith71 · 06/08/2021 17:58

Just noticed:

The model complaint calls the article a "puff-piece," and the response denies it was a "profile piece"

Coyoacan · 06/08/2021 19:18

Such a well written piece. Kudos to the Critic

PamDenick · 07/08/2021 00:26

I’m still awaiting the response to my complaint.

My complaint being that they quoted Fallon Fox who stated there was no advantage that those who have been through male puberty have any sporting advantage.

That is incorrect.

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