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Article about covert narcissism.

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WarriorN · 02/08/2021 06:03

I've found this rather fascinating. And probably one for the relationship board too.

Lorna Slade is a psychotherapist who specialises in healing from narcissistic abuse. “Covert or ‘vulnerable’ narcissists tend to be more introverted than grandiose narcissists,” she says. “But they share the same classic traits. They’re just manifested at a far more subtle, workaday level. Theirs is a much more laser-targeted revenge. But they’re mask wearers: other people will say: ‘What do you mean? They’re lovely.’”

In my experience the covert is far more dangerous than a grandiose,” says Slade. “Not only because they are harder to spot, but crucially, since they are more shame-based, they are more easily triggered into what’s known as ‘narcissistic rage’, which drives them to take spectacular revenge.”

A sense of victimhood appears to be primary, in which the narcissist will persecute from the victim position, often denigrating themselves and thereby fishing for reassurance. “Since they are poor problem-solvers, I see coverts resorting to the ‘victim’ role as a semi-conscious and very dark tool in their toolkit,” says Slade. “Once in victim mode they are emotionally persuasive way beyond the ability of a neurotypical person. The sheer effective power of coverts’ ability to manipulate other people never ceases to amaze me.”

*But, while exercising extreme wariness, we should also have sympathy: narcissists are not born. They are created by early environments, picking up the message that their true self is not acceptable, whereupon they create a false self, or mask. If that shiny outer shell is threatened, they will attack as they feel annihilated.
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"we should also have sympathy:" although I reserve that for children. And "could / might have sympathy" would work better. Don't should all over this shit.

Technically the observer I think.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/aug/01/not-all-narcissists-are-grandiose-the-vulnerable-type-can-be-just-as-dangerous?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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FindTheTruth · 02/08/2021 06:44

interesting article OP; “Covert narcissism is really a manipulation through victimhood,”; a useful lens for seeing the mens rights activism through.

'rescuers' could apply to the blueticks on twitter blindly liking and re-tweeting: “See if you can recognise when the ‘victim’ tries to pull you in a ‘rescuer’ role,”

Kids on reddit, tumblr, mermaids forum with Munchausen queer theory parenting, "we should also have sympathy: They are created by early environments, picking up the message that their true self is not acceptable, whereupon they create a false self, or mask."

334bu · 02/08/2021 06:46

Interesting. Thanks for article.

WarriorN · 02/08/2021 06:52

Absolutely find, and the erroneous suicide stats are a "dark tool" frequently (mis)used.

There's more I could analyse but I'd fear deletion tbh.

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WarriorN · 02/08/2021 06:53

I particularly think of the trans widows threads too.

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Datingandnoideahowto · 02/08/2021 06:54

That’s my ex. Thank you.

ProseccoThyme · 02/08/2021 07:01

My ex as well. Much harder to spot than your textbook grandiose narcissist.

In my view, there is a massive link between narcissism & toxic male entitlement & misogyny.

WarriorN · 02/08/2021 07:14

My friend has an ex who fits this to a tea. His poor youngest daughter is bravely drawing the boundary lines as he's messed her about emotionally through contact, conditional love (using it as a "behaviour management tool" and withdrawing it or showering with gifts or it's "3 days or none" type of stuff. She's a normal and actually shy, tween.)

But the fact he has been sectioned a couple of times and has some MH issues (functional as is also a highly paid professional ffs) makes her panic and she's taken to inspecting his WhatsApp status for evidence he's ok. She fears she's responsible for his mental health. And yet seeing the back of his head made her panic the other day. Utter twat.

He got it from his parents who are the classic "we took you to stately homes" sort. Thank god my friend is so utterly sorted and also now has an amazingly wonderful partner to demonstrate what a decent person and relationship looks like.

However, she freely admits she stayed with him for so long as she felt she needed to "be kind."

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Keepemguessing · 02/08/2021 07:37

Also my former husband.

I didn't realise I was being actively abused until he tried to ruin my career and that of my new boyfriend.

WarriorN · 02/08/2021 07:57

Thanks for everyone who's had someone like this in their lives and been affected/ abused in this way by them.

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