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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What's wrong with medical transition for kids? I need sources!

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shesellsseacats · 01/08/2021 22:02

I'm preparing a letter for DS's school on medical transition for children. The school are currently referring children on a charity that practices affirmation, apparently without any clue what it is they're promoting.

I'd like to explain:

a. what happens to children who are referred on for being trans
b. what are the side effects and dangers of blockers, hormones and surgery
c. what the affirmation model is
d. what detransitioners are saying about all this

Can anyone point me to some good sources to help me explain this?
And - sorry, this makes it a challenge - ideally not from organisations that they'll dismiss as transphobic hate groups. (I know, I know).

Articles or any format would be good, video would be brilliant.

So far I've got articles about all the Tavistock whistleblowers and also this brilliant video from David Bell.

www.channel4.com/news/children-have-been-very-seriously-damaged-by-nhs-gender-clinic-says-former-tavistock-staff-governor

Can anyone recommend anything?

Thanks :)

OP posts:
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 02/08/2021 01:13

Scott's website: www.trevoices.com/

oldwomanwhoruns · 02/08/2021 12:03

Perhaps just buy the school a copy of 'Irreversible Damage' by Abigail Shrier? Worth the money if it will do the trick.

And has anyone mentioned social contagion? This stuff gets picked up by groups of friends, just like anorexia did in our day.
Good luck, OP

NecessaryScene · 02/08/2021 12:08

Here's another good source: new Finnish guidelines.

One Year Since Finland Broke with WPATH "Standards of Care"

Has a full translation of the Finnish guidelines there. Their commentary:

^Although pediatric medical transition is still allowed in Finland, the guidelines urge caution given the unclear nature of the benefits of these interventions, largely reserving puberty blocker and cross-sex hormones for minors with early-childhood onset of gender dysphoria and no co-occurring mental health conditions. Surgery is not offered to those

oldwomanwhoruns · 02/08/2021 13:27

You asked for detransitioners, OP - try these 2 videos on youtube by ImWatson.

'detrans awareness day'

'Ramblings of a detransitioned woman'

She speaks with a lovely scottish lilt - but it's an absolutely heartbreaking story, of a confused young woman rushed through to the medical pathway. This poor girl. Really powerful testimony.

ANewCreation · 02/08/2021 14:43

Maybe reframe this?

Due in part to the length of the waiting lists for child gender identity clinics in the UK, the overwhelming majority of kids in schools who identify as trans have never seen a gender specialist but have effectively diagnosed themselves with gender dysphoria.

Medical evidence and the historical dearth of trans teenagers in British schools over many previous decades shows us that without social/medical intervention, in the vast majority of cases up to 95+% of children with dysphoria desisted from a trans identity on going through puberty, many later describing themselves simply as gay or lesbian.

Whereas almost 100% of children who go on blockers proceed to cross sex hormones.
The latter group will be medical patients for the rest of their life, with increased risks of strokes, heart attack, suicide, cancer, osteoporosis, difficult surgeries, early menopause, dementia, sterility, shortened life span etc.

The Tavistock data shows that this is a vulnerable group with significant comorbidities - 25% ADHD, 30-60% Autism, high rates of Eating Disorders, Anxiety, Depression, Abuse, Adoption, OCD, bullying etc.

Transition cannot change this background so a child with gender identity issues will still have to deal with the comorbidities and even the dysphoria, sadly, may well still remain after medical and surgical input.

Schools which, quite rightly, will not administer any medicine to a child without the named box/dosage seem strangely confident about initiating and offering their own form of unevidenced 'treatment protocol' (without any medical input at all) where they are prepared to countenance, for example, that some boys are now girls, call them by a girl's name, she/her pronouns, hold a special celebration assembly, allow them potentially to use girls' spaces and PE sessions - and make it difficult for the teen's female peers to express any discomfort whatsoever because of 'inclusivity'.

What is the effect on the plasticity of the developing child's brain?

I would be tempted to reverse the question and ask the school, Where is their medical evidence underpinning the rationale and success of their chosen treatment protocol, or that recommended by the external group, without a diagnosis, bearing in mind that they are not mental health professionals?

How confident are they that what they are doing is not actually reinforcing something that a child would have naturally grown out of as in the past, when we didn't have swathes of 'trans and non-binary children' in schools, which instead potentially leads to them becoming a lifelong medical patient with the concomitant risks?

Could a person potentially sue their school for having reinforced or prolonged their dysphoria by socially transitioning them?

What might be the potential safeguarding problems when all the trusted adults in a child's life refer to a male person as a girl? Residentials? Changing rooms? Safety in PE?

How easy is it nowadays for a child to desist (having socially transitioned at school) when everyone else around them is so invested in maintaining their trans identity?

Medical doctors are not in agreement, some gender specialists are strongly against early social transition of children and yet this school knows better? How?

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/sex-gender-and-gender-identity-a-reevaluation-of-the-evidence/76A3DC54F3BD91E8D631B93397698B1A

It's up to them to prove that their treatment protocol works and is safe, OP, not you. And if the group they refer on to can't provide the required medical evidence, then maybe that will set the school's alarm bells ringing...

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