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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Government “pregnant people” Twitter

67 replies

WouldBeGood · 27/07/2021 20:49

In the context of vaccines.

They need to be told this is not acceptable.

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Cailleach1 · 27/07/2021 23:03

Why are they saying 'baby' " instead of "gestating/unborn people"?

i.e. It's the best way to protect people and their gestating/unborn people from the risks of the virus during human gestation . That'd be more in line with their new speak.

KittenKong · 27/07/2021 23:13

Let’s hope they don’t start a campaign for fathers sperm-producing persons then. Things could get very confusing.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 27/07/2021 23:39

Why do they do it? They must surely know they'll get ratioed to hell and back, seeing as that's what usually occurs when you pull out the phrase "pregnant people" or "people with a cervix" and other such batshittery.

channels Mean Girls -

Stop trying to make "pregnant people" happen! It's not going to happen!! 🤦‍♀️

WouldBeGood · 27/07/2021 23:42

They’re obsessed up here

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KittenKong · 28/07/2021 09:16

Very sexist society. Anything to beat the wee wifies down. Even more gut-wrenching when it’s other women doing it.

ArabellaScott · 28/07/2021 10:00

@LouiseBelchersBunnyEars

That’s a beautiful ratio
yep.
Tesla73 · 28/07/2021 10:04

have they taken it down now?

just went to the link which was working fine before but now get the usual "oops something went wrong"

KittenKong · 28/07/2021 10:05

Nope still there. Screenshot for posterity...

Scottish Government “pregnant people” Twitter
Tesla73 · 28/07/2021 10:28

Thanks - I'll try again

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 28/07/2021 10:43

The argument I see that "women are people" is just total crap. Adult females are people yes. But adult males are also people. Male and female children, also people.

If you say people, that's everyone ffs.

There has to be a word for the specific category of who they're addressing right? Give me some time, I'm sure I'll think of it soon....Hmm

And the old "no one is saying you can't say women". Yeah, apart from that message from the Scottish Government

There's no mistaking what a woman is when it comes to being told to shut up and 'be kind' Angry

EyesOpening · 28/07/2021 10:43

Someone on there saying their friend didn’t want to be called a woman when going through “her” pregnancy, then saying said friend was only 14 (tweet disappeared when I was reading it so may have been deleted). I am worried for that generation/believers, and a possible boom in unexpected teenage pregnancies if they believe they won’t get pregnant if they don’t identify as a girl/woman. Someone else said before that their child (or another male child) didn’t think they could impregnate someone who identified as a boy/man.

KittenKong · 28/07/2021 11:14

Quick there’s a serial killer on the lose! They are targeting people!!!

What people?
People! People!
Which people?
People aged 19-64
More details please...
White, Black, Asian... people
And?
People who work in teaching...
And?
People with vaginas...
Hmm
People with breasts...
Hmm
People who menstruated...
So you are saying the woman teachers are at risk then?
That’s what I said... ‘people’!
Angry

merrymouse · 28/07/2021 11:23

And the old "no one is saying you can't say women".

They are saying that you can only use woman to refer to a stereotype or a non specific subjective identity, not to the real material reality of sex.

It's so backwards.

KittenKong · 28/07/2021 11:32

Some women are more woman than others - they are ‘allowed’ to be women, girls, actresses, firewomen, chairwoman...

BlackeyedSusan · 28/07/2021 11:41

oo kitten, can't think which type of people they are.... [insert suitable emoji here]

KittenKong · 28/07/2021 11:51

Just musing... what’s a male dominatrix called? Don’t know why that popped onto my head (I’m writing a piece on on onboarding and I have writers block...)

ThomasPenman · 28/07/2021 11:52

But what do we do about the significant number of women who have accepted the sexist definition of the word woman and do not feel that it suitably fits for them?

KittenKong · 28/07/2021 11:53

Sexist in what way? Woman or ‘actress’ (I’ve never actually met an actress - many female actors though)

ThomasPenman · 28/07/2021 11:59

The definition of woman that is removed from female biology. The definition of woman that applies to some men but not to all women even if those women are pregnant.

merrymouse · 28/07/2021 12:00

@ThomasPenman

But what do we do about the significant number of women who have accepted the sexist definition of the word woman and do not feel that it suitably fits for them?
We patiently explain why you still need a word to describe the biological condition of being female, because it has quite a few material consequences?
merrymouse · 28/07/2021 12:01

I admit this has had limited success so far!

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 28/07/2021 12:02

What argument would you use against pregnant people instead of pregnant women? I saw this recently in another context and didnt feel comfortable with it but was at a loss to verbalise why.

WouldBeGood · 28/07/2021 12:20

@KittenKong dominator?? Usually just dom

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merrymouse · 28/07/2021 12:23

@AwaAnBileYerHeid

What argument would you use against pregnant people instead of pregnant women? I saw this recently in another context and didnt feel comfortable with it but was at a loss to verbalise why.
It deliberately obscures the fact that the only people who become pregnant are women.

Instead of acknowledging that a wide range of issues only affect women - access to birth control, ante-natal and post natal care, periods, breastfeeding etc. etc., all these things are atomised, so we can only talk about menstruators and pregnant people as though the two are not linked, or as if the absence of menstruation has no particular significance for women.

Instead, we are asked to accept that 'woman' can only be used to refer to a stereotype.

The language we need to talk about the practical (and completely gender neutral) impact of being female is removed, and we are forced to endorse the idea that 'woman' can only refer to the gendered stereotype that has been used to oppress.

The Scottish Government will claim that they are using 'gender neutral' language, but that isn't the case. They are using language that is 'sex neutral', because they have been persuaded that it is offensive to recognise the real consequences of sex and the rights that women need.

Chickenyhead · 28/07/2021 12:28

Isn't it plain old erasure?

There are still male named things, but female things are now unisex.

Thus woman is a non entity differentiable from man.

Subhuman you might say.

Pregnany humans.