Guardian article. No threat to women to have TW in women's spaces

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/18/dozens-arrested-in-los-angeles-as-anti-trans-protest-outside-spa-turns-violent?utmterm=8b32dbbcff738970d38d40fbe1a40dcb&utmmcampaign=GuardianTodayUK&utmsource=esp&utmmmedium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

Fucking lying bastards. 'Cabals of international paedophiles' are complete fantasy are they? Like this never happened www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

Male threats to women are complete fantasy too, so these TRAs tell us. Like Rotherham, Telford and loads of other places that never bothered to report never happened.

All those women who report rape are lying.

Heard it all before, Guardian. Every single one of us women was once a teenage girl being told how worthless we were and how much we lied. FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM.

Fucking lying bastards. 'Cabals of international paedophiles' are complete fantasy are they?

When you've got Jeffrey Epstein, the Boy Scouts of America and the Catholic Church on one hand, and QAnon conspiracy nutters on the other, journos should be super careful with this sort of thing. Not play fast and loose.

It's certainly an opinion, to quote Mr Pratchett.

An ignorant, cowardly and naive one at best, since it just excludes unwanted facts and the voices of women rather than having to face or address the reality of the situation. I think there are descriptive words for articles which intentionally exclude facts in order to ensure their readers come to the intended political conclusion? But such is the standards of the Guardian these days, and yes, when they're fighting to stay financially afloat, I suppose it is good that they are honest about who they are marketing themselves to.

Women and anyone interested in actual journalism or capable of critical thought need not bother apparently.

I’ll have a proper gander later as I’m busy in the kitchen at the moment.

Another thread here

The Guardian have upped their game, we’re now Anti-trans for asking for same-sex spaces www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4299520-The-Guardian-have-upped-their-game-we-re-now-Anti-trans-for-asking-for-same-sex-spaces

It's incredibly presumptuous of the Guardian to think they get to decide.

The Guardian presents this as a report rather than an opinion piece.

So it is "false" for example, to even suggest that including people with male genitalia in women's spaces endangers them.

And we should avoid phrases like “female spaces” and “women’s shelters” because these are mere 'rallying cries of anti-trans groups' and 'far-right activists'. Use such terms and we will be on the same side as (and therefore synonymous with) the religious right.

They will push boundaries further. Note Guardian Senior Reporter Lois Beckett's casual derogatory reference to "anti-pedophile protesters".

I went to a korean spa in Korea and the wet spa was a naked area, you couldn't even wear a bikini I would NOT have wanted to see any penises around!!!!

@grey12

I went to a korean spa in Korea and the wet spa was a naked area, you couldn't even wear a bikini I would NOT have wanted to see any penises around!!!!

I have wondered when the so called 'progressive' activists recognise their disrespect for Korean customs. Most women and girls would not want to see penises in such spaces nor would they want to be seen naked by penis/prostate-havers.

Sorry, did I miss something? When did it become a bad thing to be anti-paedophile? Is noncery the next civil rights movement?

LangCleg wrote Thu 21-Feb-19

"How did the scandal of TV entertainers grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of Catholic priests grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

How did the scandal of on-street gangs grooming and exploiting children get so bad before anything was done?

Because if you create a sacred caste of any group and silence anyone asking questions about individuals on behalf of the sacred caste, abusers will see, infiltrate, and groom and exploit children. That''s how."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3512177-Julia-Long-asking-Munro-Bergdorf-about-child-exploitation?pg=12

I was just watching a Helen Joyce interview, in which she is asked why the Guardian is as it is on this issue. She said that they have a big American, democrat readership. So they have to give them what they want. And the US is so very polarised, politically, that anything countering gender ideology is therefore far right.

Which explains this bizarre piece of 'reporting'.

Sad thing is, I have friends who read the Guardian as gospel, and therefore think that I am completely mad for saying that women's rights are under attack.

Virtually all ideologies are implicitly antifeminist in that women are sacrificed to higher goals
Dworkin

It feels like the Guardian are prepared to sacrifice the truth andwomen's safety, they are just a propaganda machine now.

Disappointing to see this in the Sunday edition, the Observer team are are usually much more clearsighted!

Guess it's because the reporter is based in/maybe American?

This reporter signed the GuardianUS letter attacking the Guardian for being “anti-trans” a couple of years ago.

All the Guardian US reporters got pressured to quit by their right-on friends and followers when they started publishing sensible stuff from Hadley etc.

Of course none of them actually did, they just hand-wrung abs tried to destroy other peoples’ careers (Suzanne Moore) rather than accept any disruption to their own as the price of their convictions.

The first time I noticed the Guardian repeatedly using words like "baseless" and "falsely" in news articles was around the time that Trump was alleging fraud in the US election. And I'm not sure but I think I recall the Guardian editorial team explaining that this was a deliberate decision to make sure they weren't unwittingly lending credence to his lies by reporting them.

Even back then it irritated me a bit. I agree that Trump was lying. But the thing is, readers are intelligent enough to make our own minds' up. To constantly be told that something is baseless and false is more than a little patronising.

Since then, this tactic has clearly expanded to other areas. And here I think the paper ought to be careful because if they cross the line and use the word "baseless" or "false" (in a news report, not an opinion piece) to describe an allegation that is debatable rather than 100% fiction, then not only will they alienate readers but they will lose credibility.

There are many social-media-savvy people who are choking on sanctimony and lacking in compassion, who can fluidly pontificate on Twitter about kindness but are unable to actually show kindness. People whose social media lives are case studies in emotional aridity. People for whom friendship, and its expectations of loyalty and compassion and support, no longer matter. People who claim to love literature – the messy stories of our humanity – but are also monomaniacally obsessed with whatever is the prevailing ideological orthodoxy. People who demand that you denounce your friends for flimsy reasons in order to remain a member of the chosen puritan class.
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People who do not recognize that what they call a sophisticated take is really a simplistic mix of abstraction and orthodoxy – sophistication in this case being a showing-off of how au fait they are on the current version of ideological orthodoxy.

People who wield the words ‘violence’ and ‘weaponize’ like tarnished pitchforks. People who depend on obfuscation, who have no compassion for anybody genuinely curious or confused. Ask them a question and you are told that the answer is to repeat a mantra. Ask again for clarity and be accused of violence.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4271950-Statement-from-Chimamanda-Ngozi-Adichie?

Sad thing is, I have friends who read the Guardian as gospel, and therefore think that I am completely mad for saying that women's rights are under attack. yup

I used to read the Guardian. I now hope they go bust. In what acid-soaked, funhouse mirror, made-up bollocks, reality-denying fucked up world do they think that allowing men into a women’s space is the right thing to do? Send the comet. I’m done with these men’s rights activists and their pathetic pantomime in which we’re all being forced to play a part. It’s insane. And I’m a man

I agree SmugglersHaunt. What would great writers like Hugo Young or Jill Tweedie make of this utter shitshow ?