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Maya Forstater's full hearing set for 7th March 22

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yourhairiswinterfire · 16/07/2021 16:40

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1416040503079018497

Update on CJ:

Employment Judge Glennie in the London Central Employment Tribunal today ruled that the case of Maya Forstater v Center for Global Development and Others will go forward to a full hearing.

Ms Forstater won her case in the Employment Appeal Tribunal in June 2021, on the preliminary issue of whether gender critical beliefs are protected under the Equality Act. The EAT found that these beliefs; that women are female and men are male, pass the test of being “worthy of respect in a democratic society”. This means that organisations must not discriminate against or harass employees, customers, clients and others covered by the Equality Act for holding this belief.

The Center for Global Development decided not to take a further appeal against this preliminary judgment but argued that the case should not proceed to a full Employment Tribunal hearing until a further preliminary hearing had taken place to determine whether Ms Forstater, who had been a Visiting Fellow with a series of consultancy contracts with the organisation, had any rights as an employee under the Equality Act 2010.

Employment Judge Glennie agreed that the issue of employment status could be addressed as part of a hearing on the full merits of the case. The hearing is scheduled for Monday 7 March 2022 for up to 12 days.

Maya Forstater is bringing a claim against the CGD, its subsidiary CGD Europe and its President Masood Ahmed for direct and indirect discrimination, harassment and victimisation based on her gender critical beliefs, as well as indirect sex discrimination.

Maya Forstater said

“I am delighted that the case is now going forward. It is important to me and to so many women and men. It is not enough that our belief is recognised as being legitimate, unless employers and service providers can be held accountable when they discriminate and create hostile environments for us.

As both the Employment Tribunal and the Employment Appeal Tribunal said my belief that sex is immutable and binary is “consistent with the law”. This is the law which protects women against sex discrimination, which supports safeguarding, and which safeguards gay rights.

It is frightening when you realise that powerful organisations are all lined up to bully, harass, and economically terrorise those who utter truths that are both consistent with the law and with science.

I lost my job in March 2019 - it may take me three years or more to get justice. This will be worth it if it helps to bring back the values of open debate, pluralism and tolerance on the issue of sex and gender, and others."

Looks like some carrots are needed, if anyone can spare them.

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RedDogsBeg · 16/07/2021 16:53

I need to do some digging in the garden to plant some roses, you've reminded me to get on with it.

What a wonderfully strong and determined woman Maya is to keep on fighting this, all power to her.

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 17:16

DaffodilStar

Oblomov21 · 16/07/2021 17:28

Fabulous. Great. That feels like agrs away though, 8 months away.
3 years since job loss.

PurpleHoodie · 16/07/2021 17:46

If she ever wants to do an #ad #gifted thing, I'd happily contribute.

She is a shero for those of us in the workplace.

Oblomov21 · 17/07/2021 10:36

Me too. Can we contribute?

Oblomov21 · 17/07/2021 23:25

Why is this not getting more traffic?
Every Other Maya thread has had 100's of posts per day.
I don't get it? Hmm

Articus · 17/07/2021 23:43

Gosh! Three years to get redres!
All power to Maya!

Mollyollydolly · 18/07/2021 00:14

Never ends does it - you need to be strong to pursue these things, Maya, Keira, Allison. Have nothing but admiration.

ILoveTracey · 18/07/2021 11:22

I saw her give a talk with Julie Bindel in the before times. Can't have been that long after she lost her job. Bindel said that a way the fight can work is if those of us that can afford to crowd fund to keep those losing work through this from the breadline so everyone can fight without being subjected to enforced poverty form cancel culture.

Those who can provide MF with support and opportunity should for sure.

Fenlandia · 02/03/2022 21:19

Bumping an old thread as this is now imminent and Maya could do with some more carrots (according to her latest update)

She's done a new interview on the Sex Matters site talking about preparing for the case:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/interview-with-maya-forstater/

KittyLeMew · 02/03/2022 23:42

Yes bump bump dig dig - crucial case 🥬🥔🥦🥕🍅

CompleteGinasaur · 03/03/2022 13:45

@KittyLeMew

Yes bump bump dig dig - crucial case 🥬🥔🥦🥕🍅
Yes.. Bumping. Digging. Absolutely crucial to nail this one down for good, can't rest on Maya's laurels now. Time and again they try to Jarndyce v. Jarndyce us into the ground with a kind of 'attritional lawfare' (sic). Can't let it happen. Plus, she deserves it...
littlbrowndog · 03/03/2022 14:05

Bump

SunniDelite · 03/03/2022 14:08

Just planted a couple more carrots. Perhaps people think she has enough, having given before?... Maybe a bit more urgency needed in the thread title?

Appalonia · 03/03/2022 14:19

That interview is fantastic. So clear, and shows just how important this case is. I do hope she wins!

CompleteGinasaur · 03/03/2022 15:03

There's a link for digging at the bottom of Maya's interview (linked above by Fenlandia), on Crowdjustice, just in case someone can't find it - Thanks, Fenlandia !

Slothtoes · 03/03/2022 15:10

She’s a legend. Go Maya! ❤️

MsFogi · 03/03/2022 17:28

Bumping - this is so important for this and future generations of women.

Cagedbirdsinging · 03/03/2022 19:32

Bumping and digging .

RedWhiteOrBlue · 03/03/2022 19:57

I planted a few items! Go Maya Go!

SwimmingCait · 03/03/2022 20:57

Chucked another spadeful on here too.

DoubleYouOhEmAyEn · 03/03/2022 21:14

Unfortunately can't dig on account of my current situation, just wanted to add my immense gratitude for Maya's persistence, resilience and bravery.

Abhannmor · 03/03/2022 21:20

Digging again Daffodil

GrimDamnFanjo · 04/03/2022 15:49

You can apply for spectator logins here [email protected]
There's a really helpful pdf over on Twitter which explains the history, key people etc

Ionlydomassiveones · 04/03/2022 15:53

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