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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FE College and sex v gender

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Pellewsmate · 16/07/2021 10:08

My DS(17) attends a FE college a long way from home so he and a lot of his friends board, he started at this college when he was 16 so he is a child not an adult. The time has come to complete the residential forms again and I was surprised to see that the medical information form requested gender not sex, so I fired off a quick email pointing out that medically sex was very important. I received the following response;

"With regard to the medical form, I have discussed the matter with our Senior Residential Officer, , and we very much appreciate your response, and your knowledge and information on the matter, which is an extremely important one, and certainly valued. Apologies for the confusion, as we are aware that there is a big difference between sex and gender and that they are not interchangeable, and for these purposes we have requested the student’s preferred gender for identity reasons rather than for medical information. We have never requested the student to identify their biological sex on our medical forms, however to keep up to date with the college’s ethos on equality, diversity and inclusion, we are trying to included information such as gender and preferred pronouns on more of our students forms and paperwork.

If a student has a medical emergency, and if they are a new student that we haven’t gotten to know yet, or we have bank staff members or staff members unfamiliar with the student attending to the issue (for example if a first aider attends), then the first information we would refer to is on the medical form. As we have a large variety of students, who identify in many different ways, this is to avoid any difficult situations where someone may identify as non-binary, or not as their gender assigned at birth, it is for the staff’s information to be up to date and aware of how that student identifies."

Surely referring to the student by third person pronouns during a medical emergency isn't very inclusive, I would prefer my name or you, and for some reason "gender assigned at birth" really p*es me off.
Having just dealt with a similar issue at younger DS school I am fast running out of patience with this BS and any email I send at the moment would be aggressive and littered with obscenities. Please help me with my response.

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FemaleAndLearning · 16/07/2021 10:13

I would be worried about a non binary person presenting with stomach pain and noone suggested the life threatening ectopic pregnancy despite them being female.

Also they do realise sex is a protected characteristic? The form should as for both.

Anotheruser02 · 16/07/2021 11:25

Oh FFS how can anatomy be less relevant than hurting someones feelings when it comes to medical care.

TeenMinusTests · 16/07/2021 11:32

@FemaleAndLearning

I would be worried about a non binary person presenting with stomach pain and noone suggested the life threatening ectopic pregnancy despite them being female.

Also they do realise sex is a protected characteristic? The form should as for both.

This was my thought. Or 'just' a normal pregnancy. Often before doing x-rays or giving certain drugs they ask 'could you be pregnant'. In a case where the student couldn't speak for themselves, knowing whether they are male or female is essential information, isn't it?
FlyPassed · 16/07/2021 11:37

They're not concerned about getting the kids the right medical care in an emergency, but they are concerned that in such a scenario identities are 'validated'? This is a gross abdication of their responsibility to look after the children in their care.

I would want to know what risk impact assessments they have conducted and what kind of insurance coverage they have.

Pellewsmate · 16/07/2021 11:38

In my original email I pointed out that sex was a protected characteristic and that regardless of how my son identifies he will never get pregnant but will be at greater risk of catching or dying from covid.

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FlyPassed · 16/07/2021 11:39

Although, are they implicitly saying they can tell sex by looking, but ask 'GI' because that's the thing you don't know from looking...? Confused!

Pellewsmate · 16/07/2021 11:39

Does anyone know if it is illegal to ask for gender instead of sex?

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TeenMinusTests · 16/07/2021 11:51

If they don't know the sex, and they have to be admitted to hospital, how will they go on the right ward?
How will they ensure a same sex chaperone is present if needed?

FlyPassed · 16/07/2021 12:15

@pell have a look at GDPR. I don't think it's been tested but I'd love to see these orgs start having to officially justify that it is legitimate to collect this 'info'

CardinalLolzy · 16/07/2021 12:20

I can see why they might want to collect gender data but surely if they don't have bio sex data collected they won't know eg how much provision they need for periods, miscarriages, etc?

Of course it's not illegal to ask for gender Hmm but I would be surprised if they were allowed to not record sex data anywhere? Did they do this at the initial application etc? Or maybe they were confusing sex and gender then as well?

StrawberrySquirrelThief · 16/07/2021 13:27

If it’s an FE college then as I recollect they are obliged to collect students legal sex to comply with the ILR data collection.

Just checked and it is still the same requirement guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/ilr/field/sex

CardinalLolzy · 16/07/2021 13:35

Good point. I expect the residential team aren't particularly joined up with the ILR data collection team though....! So this is specifically for the residential medical data? I guess if needed they could cross-refer to the learner data?

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