Pregnant Person Risk Assessment

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I've been invited to the above this week. It is going to be so hard not to ask what kind of person gets pregnant!

Say you're massively offended because you're trans-species and don't identify as a "person"

https://www.vice.com/en/article/yvwknv/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species

Why do they never word it like

Risk assessment: Pregnancy

Guidelines for risk assessment related to pregnancy

Pregnancy and the workplace: Guide to risk assessment

I mean obv saying women would be outrageous.

Why is the choice always to change it in a way that makes it clear to any woman or man who reads it that the word woman is verboten?

There are loads of other ways to put it which would be less of a massive statement that they have decided that linking female and pregnancy is a despicable thing to do.

Och am at the stage now where just tell them to fuck off now

Tell them your gender identity is shouting fuck off at idiots

No one can deny the fuck off idiot gender identity

I like your style!

@NiceGerbil

Why do they never word it like

Risk assessment: Pregnancy

Guidelines for risk assessment related to pregnancy

Pregnancy and the workplace: Guide to risk assessment

I mean obv saying women would be outrageous.

Why is the choice always to change it in a way that makes it clear to any woman or man who reads it that the word woman is verboten?

There are loads of other ways to put it which would be less of a massive statement that they have decided that linking female and pregnancy is a despicable thing to do.

Was just about to say the same. All other those options read much better too.

You pregnant person you!

This is making women unmentionable. It feels normal – even liberal! – because the unmentionableness of women is such a deeply ingrained cultural default. Male is the standard, female is the deviation. Say “mankind” and people will understand that you mean “human”, but “womankind” can never stand for everybody, because being a woman means having a female body, and the female can never be universal.

From this article:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/pregnant-people-bma-pregnancy-motherhood-intersex-transmen-nhs-a7553601.html%3famp

If you accept this without complaining then they will use your compliance as an excuse to increase erasing women.

The Oncology dept doesn't rename itself the "Feeling a bit out of sorts" dept in case someone can't deal with the reality of cancer & has their feelings hurt.

If someone cannot cope with the reality of being a pregnant transman /non binary/whoever else is supposed to be helped by this bullshit which is 100% about doing something ONLY a woman can do, then it's Social Services that need to be involved.
They can place the child with someone more mentally stable,
A new poster with a rainbow & some made up nonsense about pretending you're a real boy whilst in labour in the Maternity dept. helps nobody.

Any 'normal' woman displaying a level of mental inability that requires an entire dept in a hospital to rewrite their literature/signage to deal with reality or they may self harm/die/be in such distress (showing absolutely no care for their unborn child) it's unbearable would be referred to SS under an s47 if pregnant.

It should be the same for all the women who think they are men/non binary (whatever other lunacy is in fashion this year that means you are pretending not to be who you are) who need those services.

The likelihood that the org will actually have any pregnant transwomen is pretty slim.

And I would think that in that situation there would be loads of things to consider and HR would be involved and supporting 1-1.

The approach should be to discuss using the largest by far group and in the most clear language (pregnant women).

And say additionally. If you manage someone pregnant who does not identify as a woman, get in touch with HR. As there are additional considerations, and as a company we want to support individually. We also understand that as a manager you might welcome additional guidance and advice.

Boom!

Done.

In this case they have indicated that the word woman when it comes to pregnancy is verboten. And they fail to take into account that additional support will be important if a person who identifies as trans is pregnant.

So it's rubbish for pregnant trans employees AND for women as they are being advised that the word that has always been used for their sex is in some way offensive.

The more I read and see the more I realise that this stuff has nothing to do with helping transpeople. And it's simply about disconnecting the standard words for (almost always) female people from the biological functions (that are the reason for the global and historical oppression we faced and continue to face).

'If someone cannot cope with the reality of being a pregnant transman /non binary/whoever else is supposed to be helped by this bullshit which is 100% about doing something ONLY a woman can do, then it's Social Services that need to be involved.
They can place the child with someone more mentally stable,'

This is extreme and unfair.

Babies should only be removed from their (mother) in extreme circs and rightly so.

(Unless they're a surrogate mother of course then it's totally fine).

@NiceGerbil it is not unfair to the child.

The childs wellbeing should matter & I believe that if your mental health is so fragile you are put at risk by being exposed to reality you are unlikely to be someone who is capable of raising a child without exposing it to significant harm.

There are surely some transpeople who do know what biological reality is & that they live in a world where only women get pregnant.

As for surrogacy, no human should ever be bred as a commodity.
I find the notion obscene.
Whether you are the buyer or seller you are trafficking children.
Many of the women involved in that are victims too.
If a person thinks buying a baby is fine then they aren't fit to be a parent.

It's case by case

An assumption that a parent is unfit based only on their identity as trans is not right.

@NiceGerbil

Why do they never word it like

Risk assessment: Pregnancy

Guidelines for risk assessment related to pregnancy

Pregnancy and the workplace: Guide to risk assessment

I mean obv saying women would be outrageous.

Why is the choice always to change it in a way that makes it clear to any woman or man who reads it that the word woman is verboten?

There are loads of other ways to put it which would be less of a massive statement that they have decided that linking female and pregnancy is a despicable thing to do.

This sums up my feelings, it would have been very easy for them to invite me to a "Pregnancy Risk Assessment" which would still have included any trans or non binary people the firm doesn't even have and also made me feel included.

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

Just do the risk assessment and don't be an asshole.

Of course I'm going to do the risk assessment, as a pregnant woman I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to ensure the wellbeing of my child and myself.

I've been looking through one or two documents from NICE and the RCM recently as well as RCOG.
They all refer to women and pregnant women. I'm not saying they never use alternative language, it might have passed me by and I obviously haven't had a comprehensive read of every document ever from those organisations. But you might find it helpful to have a look through and see if there is anything that relates to your situation, or perhaps in other official documents issued by your hospital or the nhs or the tax office for instance giving guidance to pregnant women or regarding pregnancy in the workplace. See what language they use. Print out the document and take it with you.

And also the recent government maternity bill where the wording was changed to include the word "mothers".

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministerial-maternity-allowances-bill-leave-pregnant-b1807843.html?amp

Sorry, I'm getting ready for work so no time to search for links.

Argh.

Pregnancy risk assessment.

Easy. Ffs.

A recent thread where you may find some useful advice.

Help- work maternity policy is now expectant workers www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4289954-Help-work-maternity-policy-is-now-expectant-workers

My employer joined stonewall and the first thing we did as a result was remove all references to women and mothers from the maternity policy. That should push us up the rankings!

This was a very good post on that thread although maybe not quite relevant to your situation?

"My work (university) did this, it was what actually peaked me. Ours used expectant parents. I pointed out that that would also include my DH as he too was an expectant parent yet he had not been impacted nearly as much as me by the physical or psychological impact of four pregnancies.

I raised the issue at the time that we had a 23% sex pay gap that pregnancy and return to work policies no doubt contributed to. Without being able to name the problems affecting women’s career progression, how can they possible address them.

I also raised the fact that it was ambiguous terminology that is not consistent with the equality act 2010, the HSE guidance for pregnancy or RCOG guidelines, all of which use the word woman.

The policy is less bad a talks about pregnant individuals now rather than expectant parents.

As someone who has had several pregnancy losses I also raised that expectant parents was problematic for me as I wasn’t necessarily expecting to become a parent, the reason I needed a risk assessment was due to pregnancy and because I am a woman."

What gets me upset is that getting medical treatment that is sex specific has proven so difficult

Women not included in trials
Women's pain ignored
Women specific symptoms ignored

How the hell are they convincing women that they have learnt from these mistakes if they are too scared to say the word woman when it matters ?