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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Wayne Couzens could have been identified as a sex offender in 2015

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QuentinBunbury · 10/07/2021 11:04

So much wrong here that I don't know where to start
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/09/sarah-everard-police-under-pressure-to-overhaul-internal-investigations
Wayne Couzens might have carried out an indecent exposure in 2015 but it wasn't investigated (indecent exposure is seen as quite low level so I'm not surprised)
More needs to be done to protect women yet no systematic flaws have been identified in vetting or safeguarding as a result Hmm
Police chiefs see couzens as a "one off" AKA not planning to do anything to prevent this happening in future when another "one off" pops up

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QuentinBunbury · 10/07/2021 11:07

I mean, just off the top of my head:

  1. treat indecent exposure as a potential red flag for escalation and actually investigate it
  2. ban extreme porn
  3. vet police officers more thoroughly and encourage officers to report concerns about fellow officers e.g. steroid use.
  4. develop a no-tolerance culture for misogyny in the police
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GenericUsername404 · 10/07/2021 11:07

I think there are so many men out there that everyone knows are ‘dodgy’ but it’s so often just brushed off. The man that raped me was part of my friendship group and we all called him “Rapey Chris” for years after he once told us he liked watching rape porn. It was one of the reasons the case didn’t even go to court as I should have know never to be alone in a room with someone with that nickname, apparently.

QuentinBunbury · 10/07/2021 11:11

Oh god generic that's awful, I'm so sorry Flowers

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Angelica789 · 10/07/2021 11:31

His wife is saying she had never seen any signs that he was capable of something like this. Is that plausible? That he had a history of low level sex offending and an attitude to women that led to him being nicknamed ‘the rapist’ but was a devoted father and husband at home?

Thelnebriati · 10/07/2021 11:39

Yes that's plausible. Abusive men frequently use a wife and family as a beard.

GenericUsername404 · 10/07/2021 11:39

angelica89 it sounds like he was a bit of a workaholic, or at least someone who was out of the house a lot. She was left to do all the work raising the kids, I guess it’s possible she didn’t spot anything as she was too busy sorting out the family?

Angelica789 · 10/07/2021 12:41

Yes she worked full time and he worked shifts plus whatever else he was getting up to so I suppose they probably didn’t spend a lot of time together.

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2021 13:13

When I was university there was a mature student whom the female students joked looked a bit like a photo off Crimewatch and whom we all found a bit creepy. We told ourselves that we were being judgemental and tried to overlook our first impressions and laugh off creepy behaviour. The male students were right onto him and had no qualms about saying he was a sex offender and calling out his behaviour. Anyway, to cut a long story short, after a few months he was chucked out of university for some deeply concerning behaviour around female students, and it turned out he had been in prison for rape.

I'm troubled by the increasing accusations of moral panic, hysteria and uptight judgement that are thrown at women. Far from leaping to condemnation, women are in fact conditioned to not assume, not judge, to question our instincts, to not be so silly; but sometimes we just know. We also know that if we vocalise our concerns we will be the ones condemned. The woman in the Wi Spa video was refreshing because she was rare, but even though the incident couldn't have been more clear-cut the woman was still dismissed as hysterical over nothing.

The gender ideologues who want women to get over their discomfort think they are saying something very new, they think we need to be liberated from our uptightness, but it's the same old same old. What we actually need is a world that we know will pay attention when we voice our doubts about a man.

WeeBisom · 10/07/2021 13:15

I’m afraid that flashing will never be taken seriously. Women are being told not to kink shame, to avert their eyes if men display their genitals, that complaining is “carcarel feminism”…

PurpleHoodie · 10/07/2021 15:26

For those that don't know.

Carcaral feminism refers to women who believe nonces, rapists, sex attackers, pedophiles should be locked up in prison.

QuentinBunbury · 10/07/2021 16:06

www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/wayne-couzens-nickname-met-police-sarah-everard-b945119.html%3famp

Jesus. Nicknamed "the rapist" in 2015 because he made female colleagues uncomfortable Shock

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picklemewalnuts · 10/07/2021 16:14

Minimising crimes against women and girls. Minimising men's sexually aggressive behaviour. Minimising men's perviness.

HeddaAga · 10/07/2021 18:51

Yeah, he's a sex buyer as well, of course www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/09/wayne-couzens-former-met-officer-cavorted-eastern-european-prostitutes/

FionaMacCool · 10/07/2021 18:57

"Cavorted"?
What a bloody measly adjective.
He bought women's bodies....forced consent, by paying for it.
I'm not reading that article, the headline is enough to put me off.

The headline is an abomination, even if he had never gone on to murder and rape.

HeddaAga · 10/07/2021 19:00

I'm more inclined to get angry about what he did.

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:06

The press need to up their game

They said his wife 'failed to spot' anything iffy about him.

Failed to spot.
Failed.

Not. I dunno. None of his behaviour led her to suspect anything.

Or something.

The implication is there must have been things that she would have stopped if only she'd paid attention.

Small I know but it's drip drip drip.

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:07

Also entirely totally not in any way surprised that he has a long history including incidents reported to the police.

Because indecent exposure to women is really trivial and there are definitely no well known escalation issues.

HeddaAga · 10/07/2021 19:10

The situation is utterly fucked up and seems to be a tick box exercise in warning signs ignored. The headline is appalling but I'm MORE concerned about the police ignoring countless warning signs and the fact that we condone selling women to monsters.

Longislandicedteaplease · 10/07/2021 19:43

We had a flasher in our village a couple of years ago, it was every other day over the summer period.

The police were not interested in the slightest, they didn't even come out.. despite the first people he flashed being a mum and 2 young children and she called them instantly.
A family member works for probation and said that this is the starter crime of most rapists she encounters at work but the link isn't taken seriously.
The police only became interested when people on the local fb page were planning to sort it out themselves - and that was to warn them off as any violence would be taken seriously.
It's no wonder these bastards escalate their crimes as they aren't nipped in the bud in the first instance

ASpoonfulofDust · 10/07/2021 19:46

I wonder if the WiSpa incident would have played out differently had the women rushed out shouting for help and for someone to call the police because there was a flasher?

I completely agree that we need to stop the 'low level' assaults like flashing before they escalate.

I bet the man on the tube who kicked me until I looked at his penis doesn't remember me, but I get that cold horrible feeling now and again when it pops into my head all these years later.

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:48

She would have been demonised on the net for transphobia.

Potentially broken discrimination laws.

No nothing would be different.

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