Neil Oliver talking to Kate Coleman about women's prisons

[Freespeecher]

And transwomen therein - apols if already posted.

Quite like Oliver's style in that he pays attention and doesn't pretend to know as much as his guest (who I'm not familiar with but who knows her stuff):

m.youtube.com/watch?v=vswLcJ_ao3U

I do like the interview style on GB news. They give each guest plenty of time and don't interrupt them to be confrontational like the BBC.

Kate Coleman is MNer KeepPrisonsSingleSex

I still can't understand why there is not more debate about this in the mainstream media. It's not difficult to hold a discussion about it as this proved.

This is only a small clip. What surprised and amused me was Neil Oliver's obvious terror of saying anything. He breathed a sigh of relief and more or less thanked the guests that he'd got out alive.

According to Katy" Most people with a GRC have transitioned fully". Hmmm, since it is impossible to get accurate figures on SRS, I wonder where they got that from?

@PogueMahoneBoris

According to Katy" Most people with a GRC have transitioned fully". Hmmm, since it is impossible to get accurate figures on SRS, I wonder where they got that from?

I don't know if the answer is on the site - but I should think KC is amenable to being asked.

www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/

The second guest basically admits that women have been sexually assaulted by male bodied trans women in jail but trans women's needs to not be in the male prison are more important.

Well we have no idea how many males with GRCs are in prisons, which is part of the problem. Although this case will force the MoJ at least to start counting (come on Scotland, catch up). So if you don't know how many males have changed their legal sex to female in prison, you can't know that most have had surgery when it's not a requirement.

I have never seen any link between GRCs and SRS stats, for those in or out of prisons so it's an interesting claim. I'll check around with those in the know to see where it's come from.
Ta.

@BloomingTrees

The second guest basically admits that women have been sexually assaulted by male bodied trans women in jail but trans women's needs to not be in the male prison are more important.

It's truly baffling how some people are to be prioritised above all others, no matter what injustice is involved.

I think the judges were very clear that although this abhorrence is legal, it doesn't mean it is just.

Rosa Freedman offers a superb potted history of how we came to have Human Rights legislation - and it's because, until recently, governments and others could carry out atrocities in plain sight - everybody knew them to be atrocities, unethical, and immoral but they were always legal.

A Woman's Place is at the Bar (Professor Rosa Freedman, Reading, 4th December 2018)

@BloomingTrees

The second guest basically admits that women have been sexually assaulted by male bodied trans women in jail but trans women's needs to not be in the male prison are more important.

Which as we all know is completely disingenous as there are other ways to get transwomen out of the male estate without automatically ending female prisoners' rights to safety, privacy, dignity and to be regarded as equally human.

If that's the issue, trans wings. Trans prisons. Trans secure units.

Two separate issues:

Issue 1: TW are not safe in the male estate (and so are many other vulnerable male prisoners who get no publicity at all, never mind a transfer out.)

Issue 2: Male bodied people, particularly convicted sex offenders, should under no circumstances be regarded as having a right to be locked in with non consenting vulnerable females.

Answer to issue 1)

a) address the issues of safety in the male estate
b) provide alternative placements in the male estate for TW that respects their identity and permits them safety and dignity as TW
c) provide alternative placements in the male estate for all other vulnerable male prisoners too

Answer to issue 2)

Stop the absolutely appalling regarding of female prisoners as subhuman compared to male ones, step right away from Stonewall, and re read the Geneva convention while getting a large grip.

What surprised and amused me was Neil Oliver's obvious terror of saying anything. He breathed a sigh of relief and more or less thanked the guests that he'd got out alive.

I suspect Neil is GC and I'm pretty sure I've seen some useful articles he writes for the Scotland Times pages, but he doesn't want to risk a pile on. And he does programmes with Alice Roberts. Maybe that's who he is afraid of.

The transitioned fully is, mostly, bollocks.

I was reading about an olympic athlete who had SRS surgery. It seems that means a boob job

And I agree, there are loads of vulnerable male prisoners. The lucky ones claim to be female and are transferred. The others, the young; the gay; the effeminate; the small; the weak; they have a terrible time in male prisons and it's about time the prison service addressed these problems.

For every "transwoman" bullied, attacked, possibly sexually assaulted, in male prisons, I bet there are dozens if not hundreds of male prisoners similarly assaulted, but there is no powerful lobby group sticking up for them.

I might have imagined articles by Neil, I can't find any but look what he retweeted.

Article by Neil Oliver in support of JK Rowling in the Sunday Times last year:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/neil-oliver-jk-rowling-outrage-is-a-load-of-hufflepuff-that-misses-her-point-32nwm9wnm

Archived here:
archive.is/rHYid

Aah. I knew I'd seen something. Thanks OldCrone