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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: schools are using overtly political materials to teach gender issues

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Leafstamp · 07/07/2021 19:54

Can anyone with a subscription archive this please? And thank you Smile

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/06/schools-using-overtly-political-materials-teach-gender-issues/

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Leafstamp · 07/07/2021 19:56

Hoping I didn’t miss a previous thread on it….

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StrawberrySquirrelThief · 07/07/2021 21:03

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4290454-Schools-politicising-lessons-on-gender-says-Ofsted-Telegraph

Earlier thread which has a link to the archived version.

Leafstamp · 07/07/2021 22:54

Thanks Strawberry

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postcardhell · 08/07/2021 09:12

Stonewall advises school staff that they should avoid dividing learners by gender, whether in the classroom or through uniform, sports activities or other aspects of school life. It suggests instead that children could be divided by “their favourite colour, month of birth or something else”

Month of birth - completely ignoring research showing that a child's age within a year group can make a difference to their academic achievement, how well they cope socially, etc? In all the schools I've had experience of as a parent, step-parent and volunteer, there's been a lot of thought and research involved in deciding how to organise teaching groups, whether/how to mix abilities, sexes, ESOL, SEN, personality types, etc and a lot of sensitivity to the impact on individuals and the overall balance of the class. Surely teachers should be trusted to deal with the needs of trans kids in the same way they deal with any diversity - they don't need to be given rules that railroad over other types of needs and differences.

A series of guidance documents state uniform policies should "give the option to wear a skirt as well as the option to wear trousers"

I am very much in agreement with non-gendered uniform, but it sounds like the suggestion is to retain current uniforms and just let students pick and choose items. Why not push for properly neutral uniforms like a tracksuit and polo shirt, especially in primary? Surely that would remove some pressure on children, particularly (but not only) for trans kids who would be spared having to make a decision about whether/when to wear the clothes linked to their gender ID.

BreatheAndFocus · 08/07/2021 16:25

Why not push for properly neutral uniforms like a tracksuit and polo shirt, especially in primary?

I’d have hated that as a girl. I loved my Summer dresses and school pinafores. My DDs do too. Also, I don’t like the idea of ‘boys’ clothes being the neutral option. Why can’t everyone wear skirts?

Far better to have a choice from a number of items including dresses, skirts, trousers, shorts IMO.

postcardhell · 09/07/2021 09:34

I don’t like the idea of ‘boys’ clothes being the neutral option

Are tracksuits boys' clothes? They've only been around since the 1970s and have always been worn by both sexes, so I see them as neutral. Clothing that follows the natural shape of the body for ease of movement (i.e. trousers) shouldn't be a male thing, should it?

I loathed having to wear skirts to school, as did my daughter, and we both wanted the (to us) more comfortable and practical option of trousers. It made me cross that my daughter's school insisted on skirts for girls when girls and parents had been asking for this 30 years before in my childhood. So I suppose that experience colours my view.

I'd have preferred something practical, comfortable and neutral, which is why I suggested tracksuits, and I've always been a bit puzzled about how we ended up with skirts as the norm for girls. Does anyone know the history? Obviously skirts can be cooler in warm climates hence sometimes also worn by men in some countries, but in northern Europe what is the rationale for dressing women like this? I suppose 'modesty' as they were floor length until fairly recently? Wanting to restrict our ability to move? To provide ease of access for period management and sex? They've always seemed a bit problematic to me.

Blazer, tie and smart trousers is basically male office wear, so offering a choice of skirts or trousers seems to me to be saying "choose which gender you want to dress as" rather than giving a neutral option. But maybe this will change if more boys/men start wearing skirts because they like them or find them comfortable rather than to make a gender statement. But in my ideal world, childhood would be as gender-free as possible.

Having said all that, I'm not really a supporter of uniform at all. I'd prefer children to be allowed to wear their own clothes to school (with some restrictions for practicality) as they do in many other countries without any apparent impact on educational attainment. But that's a different debate...

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