Westminster Prof. lectures companies of removing single sex spaces

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How is this allowed?

twitter.com/catterall_pp/status/1412023872937992197?s=21

Who is this for?

I think it's USA it's the term they use over there generally

The way so much of this is taken from USA and dumped here without any thought to the fact we use different words

@IsItShining

Male prof with female name lectures people on making everything gender-inclusive. There's a surprise.

Because they are clueless about female experiences, probably.

I found this link on that twitter page, I wonder what was concluded about mixed sex toilets Professor Pippa Catterall said: “It has been long known that men and women experience and move about cities in very different ways, but we still design, plan and build as if this is not the case. Recent murders of too many women – of whom Sarah Everard is simply the most well-known – have highlighted the continuing need to tackle this issue if we are to make public spaces safer for women, not least after dark www.westminster.ac.uk/news/professor-pippa-catterall-delivers-talk-with-new-london-architecture-about-womens-safety-in-public-places

@IsItShining

Male prof with female name lectures people on making everything gender-inclusive. There's a surprise.

Because they are clueless about female experiences, probably.

I am not sure Margaret Middleton is male. I think from other photos and interviews Professor Middleton is a gender nonconforming woman.

Is MM a prof? It says designer in that tweet. I think the prof is Professor Pippa Catterall whose tweet was linked?

Actually having listened some more to Professor Middleton I am sure they (preferred pronoun) are not male.

@EyesOpening

Is MM a prof? It says designer in that tweet. I think the prof is Professor Pippa Catterall whose tweet was linked?

Sorry you are correct. I was referring to the person who designed and is promoting the signs. They are not male.

@TurquoiseBaubles

The most unfair way of dividing toilet provision is by "standing" and "sitting and standing" (aka known as "urinals" and "cubicles").

More honest signage would be "men only" and "everyone", leaving women once again disadvantaged, regardless of safety/privacy element

I'm in Ireland where traditional loos are being renamed all over the place. Changing door signage is the cheapest way to disadvantage women and children - my local public loos are now "gender neutral with urinals" and "gender neutral". Guess which one has queues?

Many traditional women’s loos are sitting and standing, so it doesn’t really help. I mean, who among us hasn’t hovered when faced with no seat/wonky seat/grim pee-soaked nightclub seat?

@peadarm

Can't quite fathom how or why 'nursing' is more gender inclusive than "breastfeeding."

If 'nursing' is meant to include bottle-feeding, why has this never arisen to accommodate the many fathers who feed their babies? And why on earth would a separate room be needed for it? Would the room be allowed to include a breast pump, or would that be non-inclusive?

And if men can in theory breastfeed with the help of domperidone, then what's the problem with 'breastfeeding'?

Just different languages.

Nursing is used for BF in USA.
Here nursing means looking after someone when they're I'll etc

Why breastfeeding is a problem word when men can get breast cancer etc is beyond me.

Apart from it isn't.

Over the course of this and based on a lot of what TWAW posters have said when they've come on.

Breasts are a big deal. They seem to be the #1 thing that says man/ woman.

Hence non binary girls having double mastectomies is a thing. Why is no breasts the default? Man as default.

Reveals.

For lots of girls non binary really means not- girl/woman. So the breasts must go.

Which sex in so many countries fetishises breasts? We all know the answer.

When you twig that things start to make more sense.

You know what's crazy about the peeping Tom page of the noun project?
...they seem to know which "gender" is peeper and which is peeped.
Funny that!

The thread uses the American terminology throughout, rest room, elevator, nursing. And all the replies use similar Americanisms. But MM seems to be based in NI and involved in the UK museums Association. Maybe they are American and have moved, or maybe so immersed in American influenced activism they've just absorbed the lingo.

I've never seen a sign with a picture of tampon and sanitary towel. The gender neutral version is a clearer picture, but I can't imagine many museums have that sign, if any.

Most places have a dispenser for tampons (if they have anything at all!) with various products that are branded. And you have to pay.

I can't think of a situation where that sign would be used TBH.

Manderly no it's everywhere in this topic.

A lot of it also seems to forget the rest of the world exists.

It's so annoying.

Points made that refer to USA history law etc that are totally irrelevant here.

Well I wonder if the dicks who are fawning over gender neutral toilets put half as much energy into caring about WASH issues in the developing world.

I somehow think not.