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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Richard Branson’s daughter Holly spent ‘seven years identifying as a boy’

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Mulletsaremisunderstood · 05/07/2021 10:42

I'm sure there are many people who can relate to this. Unfortunately, she makes no mention of the fact that this it happened today she would likely have been pushed down a road of irreversible surgery and hormones, and may not have been able to have her children.

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Holly Branson, the daughter of Virgin billionaire Richard Branson, has revealed that she spent seven years of her childhood identifying as a boy.
The 39-year-old has said that she spent the ages between four and eleven dressing in boys’ clothes and giving herself male names.

Speaking to Natalie Pinkham on the In The Pink Podcast, the mum-of-three told how at the age of four she ‘decided’ she was a boy: ‘It wasn’t that I wanted to be a boy, it was that I was a boy.’
She explained that she first began to identify as a boy shortly after the birth of her brother and that she had a desire to be the same as him.

‘It was just after my brother was born and I don’t know whether looking back on it now, it was some sort of psychological thing that a boy was born and was getting lots of attention and I wanted to be like him,’ she said.
'I stood up to pee, I dressed like a boy, I even gave myself different male names.’

‘I was so lucky to have parents that were really accepting of it, that they didn’t question any of it, they let me be who I wanted to be.’
The chair of Virgin Unite explained that after seven years, she went back to identifying as a girl when she received a dress as a gift for Christmas.

Holly told Natalie how said had requested the dress as a present but her mother didn’t want to give it to her in case it felt ‘too pressurised’ so instead she asked a family friend to gift her the dress.

‘…that was the turning point,’ Holly said. ‘From then on, I was back to being female.’

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Mulletsaremisunderstood · 05/07/2021 10:46

‘I was so lucky to have parents that were really accepting of it, that they didn’t question any of it, they let me be who I wanted to be.’

This all sounds lovely, but how many of these 'accepting parents' are now sending their children to gender clinics to have them medicated? It's annoying that she doesn't seem to mention or acknowledge the damage that can be done to children in all this.

She is now a mother of nearly 40, I wonder if she has thought about the fact that other young girls currently going through this will get to her age now with their breasts cut off and unable to have children Sad.

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LadyBonnibel · 05/07/2021 10:58

Still, the fact that she's sharing that she felt like that and then flipped back is important, even if she doesn't highlight that aspect of it. It shows you can explore your identity and "be who you want to be" without any medical intervention or having to be treated as a special oppressed group, and take your time to settle on how you feel as you mature. Of course it's possible she could have persisted and wanted to transition as an adult, but statistically, more likely she's do what she actually did.

EvilPromPrincess · 05/07/2021 11:05

The chair of Virgin Unite explained that after seven years, she went back to identifying as a girl when she received a dress as a gift for Christmas.

OK, she didn't change because she was given a dress Confused even according to the article she asked for the dress, so I can't see why they've written it that way. This really is about clothes for people isn't it? It sounds like she didn't want to be seen as a boy anymore so started asking for "feminine" clothing so people could see that she was a girl. She didn't just know she was a girl again because she touched some tulle.

ALso back to being female?? Confused Is she a clown fish? Grin

LadyBonnibel · 05/07/2021 11:36

Yes the way they've written the dress thing is misleading!

I've seen a few "tomboy" girls go through this - kids of friends, and a girls in DS's class at school. Dressing so as to appear like a boy, then typically around or just after puberty, experimenting with a more feminine appearance, sometimes just slightly.

IMO that's a totally reasonable approach to feelings you might have as a child about being a girl, and how to negotiate other people's reaction to how you express yourself. As you go through puberty and your body changes, you also mature mentally and emotionally and may be able to reconcile yourself with having a female body, and then want to be open to more of a variety of clothes etc. Or not - also fine. Kids should be able to explore all this without it being taken to mean something permanent.

I was similar and started doing dresses as a teen, though I've also always retained a "tomboy" side.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 05/07/2021 22:55

But doesn’t Virgin give ££££ to certain groups?

PearPickingPorky · 06/07/2021 06:56

@Mulletsaremisunderstood

‘I was so lucky to have parents that were really accepting of it, that they didn’t question any of it, they let me be who I wanted to be.’

This all sounds lovely, but how many of these 'accepting parents' are now sending their children to gender clinics to have them medicated? It's annoying that she doesn't seem to mention or acknowledge the damage that can be done to children in all this.

She is now a mother of nearly 40, I wonder if she has thought about the fact that other young girls currently going through this will get to her age now with their breasts cut off and unable to have children Sad.

I think she does realise that, today, girls like her age going down the path of puberty blockers, hormones and surgery, and that's why she's said that she too used to feel the way they do, but then grew out of it.

I think she's leaving that obvious part of "so don't sterilise your child for this behaviour" unsaid so she doesn't get called a bigot who is killing trans children. But it doesn't need said, it's obvious from what she did say.

Anotheruser02 · 10/07/2021 06:59

I noticed that Shiloh Jolie-Pitt isn't John anymore either. Another who wasn't medicalised, she was apparently 3 years old when she started wanting to be a boy, the young age of it all is often given as the reason that parents are so sure that their child is right "they just know, they've always known".

rabbitwoman · 10/07/2021 07:05

Careful - I got piled on and called all sorts of names on here, mass reported and ended up banned for a week when I posted about shiloh a few months back - reporters tend to be around early weekend mornings, too.....

EmmaGrundyForPM · 10/07/2021 07:18

I read that article and thought the same thing. Parents were relaxed about it, no big deal, and she then decided not to carry on with it when she outgrew it. Parents now would be parading them on social media, and making appointments at GIDS.

Anotheruser02 · 10/07/2021 07:21

@rabbitwoman

Careful - I got piled on and called all sorts of names on here, mass reported and ended up banned for a week when I posted about shiloh a few months back - reporters tend to be around early weekend mornings, too.....
Oh god for what reason? It's not a secret is it, the family are very open and always involve their children in public life, I imagine they are very proud or her.
rabbitwoman · 10/07/2021 08:14

Anotheruser02

I posted a link to some photos of shiloh out shopping that had appeared in a newspaper.... There were four or five posters saying it made them feel sick to look at the pictures, it was a disgusting invasion of privacy, I was disgusting for using children in my arguments, speculating on celebrity gossip etc.... Anyway, mumsnet said there had been a number of complaints from long standing members of the forum so the thread got taken down.....

Same happened when I started a thread about Elliott Page, and I was banned for a week.

Funnily enough, similar threads were started on Page and Jolie Pitt just after mine that ran, and had some very interesting comments and useful discussion - just, mine were started early on a Saturday morning, and I think there are lots of self appointed monitors about then....

GNCQ · 10/07/2021 08:56

I think she's leaving that obvious part of "so don't sterilise your child for this behaviour" unsaid so she doesn't get called a bigot who is killing trans children. But it doesn't need said, it's obvious from what she did say.

I was going to post exactly this.

There is a deafening omission which I can only assume is deliberate. You don't want to be in a high profile position and get on the wrong side of the #NoDebate/StonewallLawIsTheLaw activists.

IvyTwines2 · 10/07/2021 10:32

@rabbitwoman

Careful - I got piled on and called all sorts of names on here, mass reported and ended up banned for a week when I posted about shiloh a few months back - reporters tend to be around early weekend mornings, too.....
But we are now in the Age of the Influencer and it's celebrities who are very much in the forefront of popularising this trend. It may not have been the parents' intention, but the story was all over the press a few years ago and where Hollywood leads, others follow.
Mulletsaremisunderstood · 10/07/2021 10:55

@GNCQ

I think she's leaving that obvious part of "so don't sterilise your child for this behaviour" unsaid so she doesn't get called a bigot who is killing trans children. But it doesn't need said, it's obvious from what she did say.

I was going to post exactly this.

There is a deafening omission which I can only assume is deliberate. You don't want to be in a high profile position and get on the wrong side of the #NoDebate/StonewallLawIsTheLaw activists.

I agree, but my point was that it's so disappointing that she is not allowed to say the bleedin obvious, or she will get a load of hateful abuse.
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rabbitwoman · 10/07/2021 11:32

Absolutely, Ivy.

In the case of Elliot page, I think he has a lot of influence and so many eyes are on him as he passionately talks about people having 'blood on their hands' and how a double mastectomy has been life saving for him, whilst we are very pointedly not being allowed to ask about what seems to be an eating disorder and an impending divorce. If he is putting himself way out there as a spokesperson then he has a responsibility to all those impressionable young women who look up to him. A responsibility he seems to be avoiding....

Holly Branson is brave and admirable and I hope she keeps talking.....

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