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Amendment to police & crime bill

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Radio4ordie · 02/07/2021 10:34

Apologies if this is already a thread…
Anyone seen the amendment relating to sex offenders changing aspects of their identity?

Thoughts?

Amendment to police & crime bill
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ArabellaScott · 02/07/2021 10:41

Hadn't seen. That sounds like a sensible first step. I'm staggered at how this loophole was created with apparently no consideration of the bleeding obvious.

NotAlwaysWrong · 02/07/2021 11:48

Promising?

Imnobody4 · 02/07/2021 15:15

Yes it's a promising move, but I'm a bit bemused by the names attached, it includes Caroline Noakes and Maria Miller.

PronounssheRa · 02/07/2021 15:46

It's interesting given the outcome of the JR today.

Taken from that thread Data shows a prevalence of sexual offending by the known transgender prison population of over 50% compared to a prevalence of around 18% in male prisons generally and around 4% in female prisons generally.

Both self ID and the GRC process allow for a change in identity, the current process doesn't prevent someone with a criminal record for sexual offending obtaining a GRC. How's Maria Miller going to square that circle?

OvaHere · 02/07/2021 15:57

@Imnobody4

Yes it's a promising move, but I'm a bit bemused by the names attached, it includes Caroline Noakes and Maria Miller.
Me too. Makes me think what's the catch here?

Being generous to them perhaps they've realised it helps nobody if there's constantly media headlines about sex offenders who have adopted new identities, some of them post arrest.

It does rather fly in the face of 'no reported issues with Self ID' though.

Thelnebriati · 02/07/2021 17:57

I can't eyeroll hard enough at this, its what us 'purported feminists' have been saying for years.
There are currently loopholes in safeguarding big enough for convicted sex offenders to stroll through, because these women pushed 'acceptance without exception' and called us bad names.

dyslek · 02/07/2021 20:21

Lets hope this is good news.

Avocadowoman · 02/07/2021 20:26

Interesting. Because as I think we know from correspondence with the DBS, essentially they take it on trust whether you disclose previous names or not.

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Radio4ordie · 03/07/2021 08:49

It doesn’t say they have to consult with victims of sexual crimes or any of the major women’s charities, so that’s a shame.

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ArabellaScott · 03/07/2021 08:59

@Imnobody4

Yes it's a promising move, but I'm a bit bemused by the names attached, it includes Caroline Noakes and Maria Miller.
Do you think there is a chance these women have been paying lip service to TWAW, but when it comes to the crunch and actual legislation they're not quite as without understanding as they seemed?

Wouldn't be entirely surprised. Tgese are ambitious politicians, they're not in it for a deep commitment to LGBTQI rights.

highame · 03/07/2021 09:06

It might be that they've realised they are on the women & Equalities Committee and perhaps it's getting through to them that women actually matter and that there is a lot of pushback. I think though that I'm being too optimistic

Datun · 03/07/2021 09:10

Surely to God, anyone can see that this is a loophole that is benefiting every sex offender in the country. And now they realise that you don't have to do a damn thing except say some words, in order to become officially transgender, they must see where this has all lead.

No one is going to buy the idea that they didn't understand.

ArabellaScott · 03/07/2021 09:13

Maybe realisation has dawned at last.

PurpleHoodie · 03/07/2021 11:13

Thelnebriati

I can't eyeroll hard enough at this, its what us 'purported feminists' have been saying for years.
There are currently loopholes in safeguarding big enough for convicted sex offenders to stroll through, because these women pushed 'acceptance without exception' and called us bad names.

This. So much.

PurpleHoodie · 03/07/2021 11:14

Thelnebriati

I can't eyeroll hard enough at this, its what us 'purported feminists' have been saying for years.

There are currently loopholes in safeguarding big enough for convicted sex offenders to stroll through, because these women pushed acceptance without exception and called us bad names.

AnyOldPrion · 03/07/2021 13:55

It doesn’t at any point mention transitioning. Perhaps those women actually haven’t made the link that we would? I’m trying to think of something other than sex that might be said to be “changing aspects of identity” and coming up blank, but they might have something else in mind.

Pretty sure that must be it. I can’t imagine those woman would ever wish to stop men who claim they feel like women from having everything they ask for, regardless of sex-offender status or the potential negative effect on the safety of women and children

ArabellaScott · 03/07/2021 14:00

Well, any form of name-change, I suppose?

chickenyhead · 03/07/2021 14:11

Couldn't this be an exercise in simply being seen to do something, but setting it up in advance to be a whitewash?

(Too many years of watching this play out in the civil service work environment)

AnyOldPrion · 03/07/2021 18:36

@chickenyhead

Couldn't this be an exercise in simply being seen to do something, but setting it up in advance to be a whitewash?

(Too many years of watching this play out in the civil service work environment)

Very believable, but if that’s the plan, they’re still underestimating how angry women are over the current political situation. The GRA reform consultation was set up with that assumption. It didn’t go to plan because of us.
Thelnebriati · 03/07/2021 23:43

It could be that. Or arse covering. Or a lack of joined up thinking.
Its going to be interesting to watch it play out; in the sense of feeling like we've been cursed with 'may you live in interesting times'.

NiceGerbil · 04/07/2021 03:23

They are talking about the police.

Not prison officers or probation officers.

What situations is this about?

Avocadowoman · 04/07/2021 08:02

At the moment I believe a DBS check does not involve the police asking the passport office if the person has changed their name.

It relies on the employer, who sees the original documents, checking them properly and I think asks for 5 years of address history.

But if someone changes their name on their passport (possibly requires a deed poll, but we know passport office does not require a GRC to change the sex, so……), then changes the name on a driving licence, and then waits a while, and does not declare former names on the DBS check, no one knows.

Seems incredible and I would be glad to be corrected, but there have been other threads where people have corresponded with the DBS and mentioned this.

LizzieSiddal · 04/07/2021 09:17

Good news. At the moment they need only to slip on a bit of lippy/a twirly dress/change pronouns and Bobs your Uncle (or your Aunt.)

Sittinginthesand · 04/07/2021 09:24

I don’t see how this is good news? It doesn’t say anything about where’s trans sex offenders should be imprisoned. It doesn’t involve consulting any women’s groups. It can easily be reviewed and reach a conclusion that everything’s fine.

Imnobody4 · 06/07/2021 11:06

twitter.com/SarahChampionMP/status/1412106509023129602?s=19
Rare to get a “win” in Parliament as an opposition backbencher - but I got one tonight when the Minister agreed to review the loophole that allows sex offenders to change their name with seeming impunity t.co/RcxbtnLbWY

Will wait to see the outcome now.