Well the Staniland question has been answered

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And it’s every bit as morally bankrupt (to use Helen’s own words) as we’ve come to expect:

The Staniland Question

Article: www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/wi-spa-video

A rep for Century Day and Night Spa on Olympic Boulevard recalls a similar situation just before the pandemic shut them down in spring 2020 in which a trans woman (“with everything reflected female on her driver’s license”) caused an uproar among cis gender female clients by exposing male genitals in the female pools and lockers. “[She] wouldn’t really use the spas, [she] just sat at the corner of the pool with [her] feet in the water and [her] legs spread or took front-facing showers,” the rep recalls. “People began to feel uncomfortable. It became very disruptive.” When the spa finally confronted her, she was adamant that the spa should attempt to normalize young girls and women viewing male genitalia.

Because everybody wants to leave education on these matters up to a spa and the random intervention of a trans woman who favours open classrooms and an informal, non-scrutinised curriculum that is a surprise to parents and all in the vicinity.

I hear you. But the victim-blaming answer that’s come (and the intellectual contortions afterwards, from ‘It’s a changing room, what do you think is going to happen there?’and ‘Well if I was 15, I wouldn’t be in a spa to start with’ from Penny all the way to the unhinged ‘OMG, you want to stare at genitals!!’ on Helen’s Twitter feed) is pretty stark, isn’t it? It sure as hell ain’t feminism.
Agreed. I guess I'd assumed people would just bat the question away - it never occurred to me that anyone would actually try and answer it! Couldn't be more revealing.

"I'm alright, Jack."

I've had Penny's response almost word for word from twitter TRAs a few years ago - apparently my 11yr old daughter was a pervert if she noticed what sex naked people were

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Bloody Laurie Penny! She and Ash Sarkar are truly the Scylla and Charybdis of the liberal left. 🔥🔥🔥🤣

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Penny’s defence on Twitter seems to be about intent of why the penis is out. It’s ok apparently, because it’s just someone getting changed. In what world does she think that’s ok? My teenage daughters don’t want to, and shouldn’t have to see a dick, anywhere, at any time. It doesn’t matter if it’s been whipped out intentionally, fallen out by accident, just part of getting changed, or sent by dick pic. They have the right to not see this. There should be places, other than the privacy of our home, where they can have full expectations of not seeing a dick. Waking down the street is one place. A male changing room is not one. A female changing room absolutely should be. They don’t care about the person’s intentions, they just do not want to see it.

FFS.

I wonder what Penny’s stance on dick pics is? Just don’t look, d’uh? What is worse, an uninvited photo of someone’s penis or unexpectedly seeing it in the flesh, attached to the owner, who may or may not go further?

This does seem to be part of a wider attempt at shifting the Overton window so that the idea of young girls being exposed to a man's penis is normalised, and anyone who objects is a prude or a transphobe. A few years ago Penny's view is not something that any decent person would express publicly.

I don't know, however, whether Penny is consciously part of this shift, or whether she is simply very gullible. Or, as someone said on a previous thread, so far committed to the TWAW worldview that she can't back down.

I've always assumed Laurie Penny was a TW
I'm that a woman could have those opinions. Does she have children?

First a flacid penis, then an erect one, then masturbating, then...

I've always assumed Laurie Penny was a TW

According to her Wikipedia entry, she is "genderqueer". However, she is married to a man (who she refers to as her "cis husband") so something tells me she is as conventionally boringly heterosexual as any 1950s housewife.

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

I've always assumed Laurie Penny was a TW I'm that a woman could have those opinions. Does she have children?

Her profile pic and Nathan Barley-ish Twitter bio 'Journalist, author, troublemaker' does make me think at some point down the line she'll be revealed as a Craig Brown / Chris Morris / Charlie Brooker invention.

What do I expect to happen in a changing room, Laurie? Well, if it says it's women-only I don't expect to see a man's dick and I don't expect him to get a look at my norks. If places are mixed-sex then the users need to be pre-informed about that. If people have no choice but to use the facility then single-sex spaces should be provided.

I’ve just blocked her on Twitter and now I feel better! My eyes were getting tired with rolling so much.

It’s not just about seeing the penis. Much as that’s obviously an issue.

I also don’t want a male seeing my daughter getting undressed against her will.

Penny is getting shirty and saying her quote was taken out of context. Bollocks it was.

Ah. So wholly sex based thinking and essentially the feelings, voices, preferences, privacy and dignity of female people (not women, only female people) should always be subordinate to the wishes and choices of male people.

That's plain old boring incel male supremacism isn't it?

If Penny's happy to get her kit off in front of any male person then good for Penny, I'll hold her coat. But unless we're saying that female people do what male people want or are excluded from society - which would obviously be absolute shit equality, inclusion, intersectionality and even basically moral - then spaces for female people must be provided alongside the mixed sex spaces, and male people must respect that they cannot use that one lone, female-needed option and must settle for using and choosing from all the other ones available to them.

I been looking at this again this evening and I actually find Laurie Penny's tweet really upsetting. I have a daughter and the thought of someone having a go at her and making her 'the rude one' because she doesn't want to see a penis in a female changing room and 'shouldn't be looking' has made me fucking rage to be honest. How fucking DARE she say something like that?

And then for her to now be playing the 'oh poor me, everyone is being so meeeeeeean to me now' card as well? I'm astonished that anyone could even be that brazen to be honest!

If Penny's happy to get her kit off in front of any male person then good for Penny, I'll hold her coat

That won’t be all you’re holding

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

If Penny's happy to get her kit off in front of any male person then good for Penny, I'll hold her coat

That won’t be all you’re holding

Penny also showing she has absolutely no idea about what safeguarding means. Laurie, how about we just abolish DBS checks, because it's 'prejudiced' to 'crack down' on the entire category of people who want to work with the vulnerable isn't it? I mean, why would we ever think that they were anything other than good people with good intentions?

It doesn’t happen often, but sometimes Twitter exchanges bring me joy…

Sorry forgot to attach the pic

Also Laurie felt the need to actually retweet the fact that she doesn't know what safeguarding is! I'm a bit embarrassed for her to be honest.

This is the kind of thing I said at 17, when I was really worried about people unfairly discriminating against my nice male friends. I got quite exercised on the behalf of a man who complained about sex discrimination to a flight company because they had a policy against seating unaccompanied minors next to men.

Now my nice male friends have kids of their own, and are aware of the scale of sexual abuse of children, especially female children. Guess what? They think safeguarding and preventing sexual abuse is more important than a man feeling offended.