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TheHandmadeTails · 29/06/2021 17:54

I’ve shared before but the writing is, again, fantastic. Does anyone know if she is on Patreon or any of those places where you can pay/subscribe?

Feelings always get in the way

Earlier today, I witnessed the following twitter exchange between a well-known liberal feminist and a less well-known (proper) feminist:

[LWKPF] “I have a 15 year old daughter. If she was in a woman’s changing room and someone with a penis came in and took all their clothes off near her, how do you think she would feel and what would you advise her to do?”

[WKLF] “How am I supposed to know how she would feel? I haven’t met your daughter and I’m not her parent. But I’d advise her not to stare ay other people’s genitals without their permission, because it’s rude.”

Do not worry. The rest of this letter is not all about penises. Because that is not the issue. The issue – highlighted in another of well-known feminist’s tweets today, in which she told feminists who think biological sex is politically salient “your feminism is bad and you should feel bad” – is making other women feel ashamed of their feelings, their fears, their boundaries, their entire inner lives.

This is not about trans people. It is not about questioning the authenticity of someone’s self-perception. It is not about gender identity, or genitalia, or “being one’s true self”. It is about the absolute patriarchal basics: power, shame, blame and control. It is about rape culture, domestic abuse, coercive control. It’s about all the things certain feminists claim to want to stop, then go on to reinforce.

When you recommend shaming a young woman for any potential discomfort – when you insinuate that it is somehow voyeuristic, rude, obsessive not to want to be in close proximity to the naked male bodies of strangers – you are doing what abusive men have always done to women and girls: shaming them into feeling their distress is their fault. Victims of sexual and domestic abuse endure years of shame not least because they are told that their very discomfort suggests something dark and manipulative about them. Stop dwelling on it. Maybe the reason you think about it so much is because you wanted it really. You love the drama, and the pain. You love the idea of yourself as a victim. What is a feminism that endorses this message all over again?

I think of it as a kind of abuser feminism, a feminism that replicates the tactics of those who hurt women the most. It’s a feminism that focuses on making women feel bad about feeling bad, as though this might lead to the ultimate cure for female suffering: that women just stop having feelings at all. If only women felt nothing – or, failing that, if only they could resolve never to acknowledge or express their own pain – then we might see an end to all the struggles. Come on, girls. Just give in.

Don’t cry; your tears are manipulative, deceptive, the weaponisation of toxic femininity against people more vulnerable than you. Don’t speak; don’t be a Karen complaining to the manager, exploiting your experience of trauma to prop up carceral norms. Don’t acknowledge distress at the things that are done to and taken from your body; it’s all just penetration, just gestation, just meat, just nothing at all. Don’t respond to your own fears, your own panic, your own shame, in the face of any threat. This fear, this panic, this shame, make you a bad person. Perhaps you will never stop feeling. The least you can do is hide it, then no one knows how bad you are.

I grew up feeling like this, convinced I was a terrible person because of things that were done to me, because somehow, when I talked about them, I talked about them the wrong way, made it worse. Feminism was a refuge from this, until it wasn’t. I am furious at the cruelty of this current strand, with women – many of whom, I am guessing, did not grow up with the same shame – encouraging other women and girls to believe they are awful people. It taps into everything an abuser teaches you. It tells you, “no, he was right. How could you ever have thought there was an alternative view?”
The shonky raunch feminism of the nineties and early noughties told young women they could own their own objectification. We were taught that the way out of the bind we found ourselves in was to tell ourselves we’d chosen it all along. What we have now is worse. We are told to own our own abuse, become our own abuser. If someone exposes themselves to us, we must lecture ourselves on how perverted we are to have noticed. If someone rapes us, we must remind ourselves never to report (carceral feminism!) and never to tell (weaponisation of trauma!). Whatever happens to us, we are always the privileged bitch who might, potentially, exploit it; in that sense, every assault is another trump card. Every time our stomach tightens or our breath shortens, every time a freeze or flight response sets in, we have yet more physical evidence of how awful we are. For fuck’s sake, Karen. Who’d want to rape you? Or, if you are raped, well, so what? They’re going to do it anyway. Stop clutching those pearls.

This is a dismantling of the most basic principles of feminism: that women matter. That we have a right not to feel pain, and a right to express it when we do. That our voices and feelings are not shameful, dangerous, violent, cruel. That we do not, secretly, want all the things that are done to us to keep being done because deep down, trauma is just something us soulless bitches love to exploit.

I see women absorbing these lessons, believing there might be virtue, some ill-defined liberation, in following these heartless rules, never putting themselves first, but never putting other women first, either. Vying to be the best at not feeling anything, condemning those who foolishly slip up. It is so cruel, and so rooted in active dislike for women as people. It is also rooted in class privilege. The women who are charged with doing the most getting over themselves – the most denial of feelings – are not privately educated career feminists. They’re women in refuges, prisons, surrogacy hostels, brothels. Women who, presumably, aren’t always classy enough to know not to be “rude”. Thank god their betters are on hand to advise them.

As feminists, loving women is the most radical thing we can do. Telling them they are bad people is much easier. Feminism would indeed be a much easier project if women’s feelings didn’t matter. That’s not really feminism, though. Whatever this is, it really has to stop.”

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TheHandmadeTails · 29/06/2021 17:55

PS I hope it’s ok to share as it’s sent out anyway? I will take it down if not.

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AmericanSlang · 29/06/2021 18:02

I can add my recommendation too, I follow Victoria on Twitter and have subscribed to the newsletter since she started it. I don't think she has a patreon or anything like that, but will check. Subscription to newsletter is free, just gets sent to your email

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2021 18:14

Just been reading and wanted to come on and say

YES.

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2021 18:16

abuser feminism, a feminism that replicates the tactics of those who hurt women the most

Hear hear.

This is common, isn't it? A way of minimising, denying, pretending that the aggression/hurt/violence/bad intent is not really so bad, or not real.

Internalised misogyny, Stockholm syndrome, etc.

SulisMinerva · 29/06/2021 18:17

It’s amazing! She writes incredibly well and is forensic in her analysis.

Faceicle · 29/06/2021 18:23

Op thanks for posting this. It was the glorious maidens of fwr that first pushed me into glosswitch's direction about 5 years ago? God bless each and every one of us!

mummarama · 29/06/2021 18:26

She’s great

Clymene · 29/06/2021 18:37

I saw the Twitter exchange and was utterly gobsmacked. Reading her email was like she could see into my head (if it were an articulate and slightly more intelligent one!)

Clymene · 29/06/2021 18:41

Slightly more intelligent? Who am I kidding? Grin

Anyway if you'd like to subscribe: tinyletter.com/Glosswitch

lazylinguist · 29/06/2021 18:47

Yep, got this in my inbox earlier. I always take a while to get around to opening my Glosswitch emails, because I have to psych myself up for the inevitable angry feelings. This one is blisteringly accurate and to the point.

Sophoclesthefox · 29/06/2021 18:53

That’s a great piece of writing, thanks for sharing. I will go and subscribe.

I have struggled to show any feminist sisterhood to this particular WKLF because she routinely centres men and does not seem to value women who are not just like her, and has been this way for years.

It feels divisive and shaming to call someone a bad feminist, but when it gets to point when the feminist is shaming women (girls, in fact) for bad male behaviour, we have to go there, because there’s no version of feminism that should be doing that.

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2021 19:13

If it made you feel better, Soph, you could call it 'bad feminism' and separate the act from the person.

EsmaCannonball · 29/06/2021 19:14

She's my favourite feminist writer. She always manages to combine anger and reason so well, and is also bloody funny. She's good on Twitter too.

Annasgirl · 29/06/2021 19:15

Wow, I love that OP. I’m off to find her and subscribe. I love to find someone who writes beautifully.

Sophoclesthefox · 29/06/2021 19:18

@ArabellaScott

If it made you feel better, Soph, you could call it 'bad feminism' and separate the act from the person.
I like that better, thanks!
TheHandmadeTails · 29/06/2021 19:37

I’m not on Twitter, could I have a hint as to who the women involved are?

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LazyHorizon · 29/06/2021 20:08

Love that, thank you. Subscribing now.

JoodyBlue · 29/06/2021 20:14

Yes I am not sure which WKLF is being referred to. A couple of initials would do the job :) Victoria Glosswitch is blistering. She writes so amazingly well, from the heart, soul, but also forensically as a PP said.

AmericanSlang · 29/06/2021 20:26

The WLKF is Laurie Penny, who was lecturing us all on Twitter earlier today about proper feministing. LWKPF was a woman who challenged her libfem ideas about being kind to males invading women's spaces

Scrawlit · 29/06/2021 20:31

You can type 'I'm not her parent' into the Twitter search box to see the exchange.

RoyalCorgi · 29/06/2021 20:32

Victoria Smith is a far superior writer to Penny, as well as having far superior reasoning abilities. She is also about 1,000 times better as a human being.

TheHandmadeTails · 29/06/2021 20:38

Thank you.

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JoodyBlue · 29/06/2021 22:20

thank you - I hadn't come across that person before. Quick google tells me that my life will be richer by not investigating further, rather go and peruse a bit of real feministing. Not sure how one can decide to opt out of femaleness and then decide to lecture people about feminism.

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