Illegal not to affirm child's gender - Canada Bill C6

[WinnieSmith]

www.rosemaryfrei.ca/bill-c-6-passed/

Canada seems to be leading the way in this sort of thing ...

Have travelled and worked in Canada - always seemed to be a good liberal country in the best sense of the word. Looks like something else is going on now. Sad.

Yes, the way that therapy that deals with the any underlying issues that might be causing the dysphoria has been framed so often as being 'conversion therapy' is very concerning.

This confusion and the lack of indepth therapy is on WPATH's head. It is always interesting to listen to the detransitioners who tell us that if they had just had their underlying trauma discussed and treated, they feel that they would never have progressed to the medicalised treatment path.

There was a paper released last year from UK clinicians also stating that without dealing with the underlying conditions, mental health of transitioners did not necessarily improve and therefore did not reduce mental health conditions.

Canada has an awful history on the human rights of other groups, especially indigenous women and children.
So I just don't believe this is about human rights. People who understand human rights also grasp that they have to apply to everyone, by default.

As we've seen before, the term "conversion therapy" is being intentionally used to link the kind of conversion therapy performed on those attracted to the opposite sex and no "affirming" a child's "preferred" gender or the fact that they are uncomfortable in their own bodies.

I haven't been able to decide if these bills, in various countries, are some sort of attempt to virtue signal by the governments, or there is some nefarious organisation pushing them. The latter seems completely crazy but they all seem badly written, lacking an evidence base, completely disingenuous, and they all seem to have appeared around the same time.

I don't want to be wearing a tinfoil hat, but man.

The other thing that strikes me is how few questions they are even asking about conversion therapy for homosexuality and why that is being addressed in a bill. Because it's completely discredited in psychiatry and doesn't happen at that level, like many other outdated approaches. You might get a few churches still using prayer approaches etc but it's pretty rare, and even there it is illegal to do it against someone's will already.

On the bright side, it's been referred to the senate and with any luck there might be an election before it goes back to the lower house. But in any case I am thinking of writing to some senator, I'm not sure who would be most receptive/effective though.

So if child were to say they identify as a alien/starseed (or any other gender), it would be illegal for the parents to treat them as a human?

Kids come out with all sorts of idea that aren’t good for them. What next?

Another day of "GC"s not understanding what affirmation means in a clinical setting.

Another day of "GC"s not understanding what affirmation means in a clinical setting.

Ok. So you have had a child go through this treatment recently then?

Please tell us where we are misunderstanding? Exactly where so we know for next time.

Because there are parents, detransitioners and clinicians that have all talked about how affirmation works but perhaps THEY also don’t know what they are talking about.

We are here, listening to you @yeahbutnaw, please tell us where we are wrong. And link the evidence, treatment plans and anecdotal evidence even so we know where to find more.

@yeahbutnaw

Another day of "GC"s not understanding what affirmation means in a clinical setting.

Yes if posters are wrong then inform us, not just vague orders to Google.

Well I have found this, I think this makes it pretty clear that "GC's" are on the right track.

the current standard of care is to allow each transgender person to seek only those interventions which they desire to affirm their own gender identity.[7]

transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/overview

(May need to scroll down)

@yeahbutnaw

Another day of "GC"s not understanding what affirmation means in a clinical setting.

I would love to be wrong about this. Please explain how we have missunderstood.

Dont be scared, anything will do even if not referenced.

@yeahbutnaw

Please explain to us what affirmation means in a clinical setting. Most people on here are happy to be educated.

The weird thing is that conversion therapy, the type that tried to 'convert' gay people, is almost unheard of outside the US, and even there its in very sharp decline (good) so what is behind this?