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Anyone remember that Danish TV show pairing children with naked adults?

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MilkBiscuit · 27/06/2021 19:34

Well my Danish friend has just informed me that GUESS WHAT...

www.bt.dk/krimi/deltager-i-boerneprogram-idoemt-faengsel

naturally, I can't find any mention of the story in all the places that were lauding it like the New York Post and many others. But for everyone whose first reaction was 'This is grooming, this is against safe guarding' you were RIGHT.

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AssassinatedBeauty · 27/06/2021 19:40

I didn't hear anything about this show, but it does sound like a particularly unpleasant idea for a tv programme. I'm also not surprised that it drew the attention of paedophiles, given the nature of it. Even if the adults participating didn't have any contact with children whilst filming, it's still generating content that would obviously be of interest to paedophiles.

OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2021 19:41

Any chance of an English version OP, what is the headline, it's was a second cult?

PatchyTwat · 27/06/2021 19:42

Sorry what?

AssassinatedBeauty · 27/06/2021 19:43

"Participates in children's program sentenced to prison"

"A former participant in the children's program "Ultra throws the clothes" has been sentenced to nine months in prison for sexually abusing a child and for possession of more than 3,000 child pornographic images and videos."

I think "throws the clothes" is a dodgy Google translate for a Danish euphuism for getting naked.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 27/06/2021 19:49

I thought you meant these:

MN Chat: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4127524-Denmark-launches-kids-tv-show-about-a-man-with-a-giant-penis

MN AIBU: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128256-Or-is-this-childrens-programme-about-a-man-with-the-worlds-largest-PENIS-rather-off

But it seems as if it's something else! "Ultra throws the clothes"

English (discusses both programmes): manchikoni.com/denmark-launches-childrens-tv-show-about-man-with-giant-penis-denmark/

Apprehensions about grooming and abuse found to be grounded - how extraordinary given that this has never happened in plain sight and to general approbation before now.

MilkBiscuit · 27/06/2021 19:53

Thanks @EmbarrassingAdmissions no the man with the giant penis show is a different kids show.

This one was children live in an audience watching adults strip and asking questions. The convicted pedophile was someone who stripped, from what I can make out.

heres a tweet about it with video twitter.com/obianuju/status/1307047645530206222

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 27/06/2021 19:54

@AssassinatedBeauty

"Participates in children's program sentenced to prison"

"A former participant in the children's program "Ultra throws the clothes" has been sentenced to nine months in prison for sexually abusing a child and for possession of more than 3,000 child pornographic images and videos."

I think "throws the clothes" is a dodgy Google translate for a Danish euphuism for getting naked.

No no! I’m shocked! Shocked I tells ya.

More shocked at 9 months for child abuse (I assume this means sexual abuse?).

Those who called anyone who called this out - what are they saying now?

TheMarzipanDildo · 27/06/2021 19:56

How fucking awful. And not remotely surprising. Sad

MilkBiscuit · 27/06/2021 20:03

The show is called Ultra smider tøjet but there is literally no coverage in english about this scandal. It's like a big cover up. Lots of positive headlines when kids talk to naked adults for tv ratings - no coverage when we find out those kids have been placed at risk.

nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2021-04-30-dr-fjerner-noegen-program-efter-sag-om-overgreb

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 27/06/2021 20:08

[quote MilkBiscuit]Thanks @EmbarrassingAdmissions no the man with the giant penis show is a different kids show.

This one was children live in an audience watching adults strip and asking questions. The convicted pedophile was someone who stripped, from what I can make out.

heres a tweet about it with video twitter.com/obianuju/status/1307047645530206222[/quote]
It's the one that I mentioned, Ultra throws the clothes and (despite the headline) it's discussed (in English) here if you scroll down:

manchikoni.com/denmark-launches-childrens-tv-show-about-man-with-giant-penis-denmark/

I saw this on a nord news channel post but can't link it because they've got site problems:

A former participant in the children's program “Ultra throws the clothes” has been sentenced to nine months in prison for sexually abusing a child and for possession of more than 3,000 child pornographic images and videos. It writes Information Friday. The verdict was handed down on Monday at the Court in Glostrup

PatchyTwat · 27/06/2021 20:41

Wow. What a shock a pervert would want the opportunity to talk naked cock to kids.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 16/04/2022 14:09

This is what the New York Times had to say about it in September 2020

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COPENHAGEN — “OK, children, does anyone have a question?” the TV show’s host, Jannik Schow, asked. Only a few in the audience of 11- to 13-year-olds raised their hands. “Remember, you can’t do anything wrong,” he said. “There are no bad questions.”

You can’t blame the children if their thoughts were elsewhere. On a stage before them in a heated studio in Copenhagen stood five adults in bathrobes. There was a brief moment of silence, as faces turned serious. Having discussed it for days before in school, the children knew what was coming next. Mr. Schow gave a little nod, and the adults cast off their robes.

Facing the children, and the cameras, they stood completely naked, like statues, with their hands and arms folded behind their backs.

And so began a recording of the latest episode of an award-winning Danish children’s program, “Ultra Strips Down,” which is shown on Ultra, the on-demand children’s channel of the national broadcaster, DR. The topic today: skin and hair.

The show’s producers say the program is meant as an educational tool to fight body shaming and encourage body positivity. And so first reluctantly, later enthusiastically, the children from theOrestad Schoolin Copenhagen asked the adults questions like: “At what age did you grow hair on the lower part of your body?” “Do you consider removing your tattoos?” “Are you pleased with your private parts?”

One of the adults, Martin, answered that he had never had “negative thoughts” about his private parts. Another adult, also named Martin, admitted that when he was young he had worried about size. “But the relationship with myself has changed over time,” he said.

With serious looks on their faces, the children nodded.

The program is now in its second season, and while perhaps a shock to non-Danes, it is highly popular in Denmark. Recently, however, a leading member of the right-wing Danish People’s Party, Peter Skaarup, said he found “Ultra Strips Down” to be “depraving our children.”

“It is far too early for children” to start with male and female genitalia, he toldB.T., a Danish tabloid. At that age, he said, they “already have many things running around in their heads.”

“They have to learn it at the right time,” he added, saying this information should be presented by parents or schools “so that it is not delivered in this vulgar way, as the children’s channel does.”

For the most part, though, Danes have long been comfortable with nudity, at public beaches, for instance.

Mr. Schow, 29, who helped develop the concept of the show after a producer came up with the idea, said the point was also to counter the daily bombardment of young people with images of perfect — unrealistic — bodies. The adults are not actors, but volunteers.

“Perhaps some people are like, ‘Oh, my God, they are combining nakedness and kids,’” Mr. Schow said. “But this has nothing to do with sex, it’s about seeing the body as natural, the way kids do.”

(Continues)

In its first season, in 2019, “Ultra Strips Down” won an award for the best children’s program of 2019 at the Danish TV Festival. In the 2020 season, the show, which is produced by the Danish branch ofWarner Bros. International Television Production, will offer five new episodes on a variety of topics, each to an audience from mostly different schools.

The children’s safety comes first, the show’s producers said. Parents must consent for children to be on the program; the producers do not show the children and the adults in a single shot; and the children are asked frequently if they feel comfortable.

If a child does become uncomfortable, she or he can join their teacher in the studio. “But we have had over 250 children in our audience,” Mr. Schow said, “and this has never happened.”

Rasmus Engelhardt Gundersen, a graphic designer who is the father of one of the children participating, said, “We had no reservations.”

“The notion that people are different and have different bodies is something we’d like children to experience,” he added.

(Continues)

The recorded episodes, now available incensored clipsof the program on YouTube, feature adults with different body types — white, Black, fat, thin, short, tall, old and young. There was John, a person with dwarfism, and Muffe, a man who had small horns implanted under the skin of his bald head.

Complete inclusiveness is one of the show’s key objectives, which is why the children were also introduced to Rei, who is transgender, had a vasectomy and testosterone treatment, and who identifies as they/them.

“I’m not a boy, not a girl, I’m a bit of everything,” said Rei, showing a tattoo-covered chest and a shaved head. “I have seven hairs of beard now,” Rei said.

The children wanted to know if Rei had “felt different in school,” what bathroom they use and what swimwear they chose for the beach.

After the show, three children sat cross-legged in the grass outside the TV studio to discuss the experience. At first, they said, they had giggled at the idea of the show. But they had learned something useful, they said.

“It was funny,” said Theodore Knightley, 11. “I liked the advice they gave us.”

Ida Engelhardt Gundersen, 13, said she had been nervous at the start. “I’m not used to seeing volunteers butt naked and asking them questions,” she said. “But we learned about the body and about how other people feel about their bodies.”

Sonya Chakrabarthy Geckler, 11, said that she hadn’t been sure what to expect. But, she said, she “felt more confident about her own body now.”

Continues: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/world/europe/denmark-children-nudity-sex-education.html

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 16/04/2022 14:12

And this is the only English language coverage I can find, concerning the programme's discovery that one of the volunteers had an interest in child abuse images.

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Controversy continues to surround a Danish television series in which school-age children in the audience are being exposed to nude adults allegedly to “teach” the children about the human body. The program, entitled “Ultra throws away the clothes”, has caused outrage among child-protection groups in Denmark as well as abroad. Yet, now it has been revealed that one of their adult “models” is a known pedophile who has been convicted by a court for possessing images of child abuse.

The Danish publically-funded broadcaster DR, which produces the show, hasremovedan episode from its archive in which the 41-year-old participant stripped in front of an audience of 11 to 13-year-old schoolchildren. The middle-aged man was convicted at a court in Glostrup of sexually abusing a child and of possessing over 3,000 child pornographic images and videos. He was handed a nine-month prison sentence for the crime.

The much criticized program’s declared aim is to “counter body shaming and encourage body positivity”. Naked participants pose in front of pre-pubescent children, who can ask them questions about their body. Although it aims to present a different, arguably more realistic, picture about the human body as compared to images photoshopped to perfection seen in social media, none of the TV programs producers could answer why they felt the need to strip their models completely and show their genitals too. Such images are, after all, banned from most social media and only appear in sources that are restricted to adult audiences.

The broadcaster DR became aware of the fact that one of their participants was a pedophile and had silently removed the episode from their website without any explanation. They have declined any journalists’ questions regarding this matter, and only released a statement according to which children and participants have been separated before and during filming and thus no harm could have come to the children.

However, questions are now being raised why the producers failed to perform a criminal background checks on every adult participant. Peter Skaarup from the conservative Danish People’s Party has criticized the program for its failure to screen its participants. He hasexpressedhis surprise that DR did not draw attention to the fact that one of its participants has turned out to be a known child abuser. He has promised to discuss the issue with Danish Minister of Culture Joy Mogensen.

Skaarup has previouslyvoicedhis concerns about the program, accusing the program of being depraving to children. He had criticized the broadcaster for exposing children to male and female genitalia far too early.

“They have to learn it at the right time” from parents and in the schools and not have it delivered “in this vulgar way, as the children’s channel does,” added Skaarup.

Despite the international outcry and the recent revelations, the production team had suffered no personal consequences for their serious mistake, nor did the broadcaster receive any fines. On the contrary, during its first season in 2019, the program won an award for the best children’s program at the Danish TV Festival. The show is produced by Warner Bros. International Television Production’s Danish outlet.

Continues: rmx.news/article/award-winning-danish-children-s-program-participant-turns-out-to-be-a-pedophile/

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