Another tweak that shows the division that mumsnet imposed isn't actually what users want

[stumbledin]

There have been so many complaints that dividing the boards isn't something the majority of posters what, that MNHQ have done a little tweak.

If you look at the heading to the thread, ie Sex & Gender you will now see just under it a link to take you straight to the other board.

Which just further undermines the arguement that so many want some sort of split.

OP - I think we're now in the territory of which battles are worth fighting,

Maybe with some of these ideas, MNHQ will be able to see how it all works.,, or not. If they do add :all options to topics where they'd be useful, they may be able to get metrics on how many people use what. If there's 2 boards and an all option, maybe they'll find a lot of people just using one or the other or maybe most posters will want it to behave more like one board. If the split does lead to more people starting good threads and participating on the chat board - well, great; if it turns out to have been essentially a few whingers who don't genuinely want to participate then hopefully that would become apparent.

Meanwhile a new poster on AIBU has had her post shifted to here . Is that fair? However she will get a lot of support on here having been hounded off the other board.
I can’t find the tweak button thing. Where is it on a tablet please?

@Gingerkittykat

I think it's a good thing. Any time I have tried to post about a non gender related feminist issue it gets almost no responses. Maybe it will encourage discussion on the feminism board.

I regularly posted topics that had no or little engagement - it's always posters' choice as to whether they respond.

This is a social media forum, I don't take it personally, nor does it change my mind about the intrinsic value of a topic , if nobody else wants to respond what I posted. Why would anyone discuss a topic that doesn't snag their interest?

I can’t find the tweak button thing. Where is it on a tablet please?

It isn't. I wouldn't realistically expect there to be a change in the app anything like that quickly!

Adding a few extra links to a web page is trivial; adding buttons to an app probably wouldn't be. The app doesn't have all the features available in the browser, and probably never will.
The : all idea would probably not be something that could be implemented instantly, but it could (i would think) be accommodated within the existing app GUI.

The only good news if you search google for mumsnet talk feminism the old existing web link www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/ always comes up first. So it looks like mumsnet itself is promoting Sex & Gender debate is THE feminist topic.

It is all so silly. The old web link spells out what the actual topic is = Women's Rights!

The sub link to the other board only appears once a thread is open. You still have to click back and forwards if you want to find information. For example Keira’s Bell threads are a feminist issue about children safeguarding relating a health issue. She is a woman but was trans, so where it should be posted?

This is not a simple solution. And I object to the title. I feel the threads are about maintaining and protecting sex based rights. I am not debating gender per se as I don’t believe in gender.

OP - I think we're now in the territory of which battles are worth fighting,

I agree. I don't think creating this functionality 'undermines' anything. It's useful for sure.
I still think a 'view all' topic board would be useful for all Talk topics (as well as the individual ones) but I can imagine might be a PITA to create.

Perhaps the next incremental improvement might be to get 'debate' removed from the board title? It's causing considerable distress to many of the transwidows, I think. Of course some of the threads on here will be debates, of one sort or another. But many are support, advice, news, activism. With Feminism: at the start (where it should always have been), 'debate' is superfluous and misleading.

@ErrolTheDragon

Perhaps the next incremental improvement might be to get 'debate' removed from the board title? It's causing considerable distress to many of the transwidows, I think. Of course some of the threads on here will be debates, of one sort or another. But many are support, advice, news, activism. With Feminism: at the start (where it should always have been), 'debate' is superfluous and misleading.

I don’t mind “debate” - we’ve been told there’s no debate for so long, that it’s good to stress that this is a space for debate. I wouldn’t mind if it was called ‘Gender critical feminism’, but those objecting to the focus on gender are right, it’s missing the point that we’re pro women’s rights more than we’re anti anything else.

However, I appreciate that’s just my opinion, and that of transwidows is more important in this instance.

I don’t mind “debate” - we’ve been told there’s no debate for so long, that it’s good to stress that this is a space for debate.

You may not mind. I might not mind, and certainly don't mind that some of the threads are debates.

But the transwidows do mind, with ROGD kids may mind that the only board they can post on for support is now labelled specifically as a 'debate' board.

Xpost. quite so!

When the suggestion to split the boards first appeared, I thought it might be a good idea. Now that I've been using it, nope. Do not like.

Given that some do, I think the suggestion to have a "View All" button should be implemented. Then we'd all be happy.

Parking myself here to try to fathom what the hell is going on.

It makes it much harder to check whether there's two threads on a topic that could be on either board.

The app doesn't have the tweak.

@WarriorN

It makes it much harder to check whether there's two threads on a topic that could be on either board.

The app doesn't have the tweak.

MN has multiple threads in multiple boards anyhow - so if you want to make sure you're positing on the first or most active thread on a subject, you'd surely already be in the habit of checking at least chat, AIBU and news.

Threads often fit more than one specific topic, and more than one sub-group of topics. Multiple threads is well established on MN, though it is anathema on others.

Perhaps the next incremental improvement might be to get 'debate' removed from the board title? It's causing considerable distress to many of the transwidows, I think. Of course some of the threads on here will be debates, of one sort or another. But many are support, advice, news, activism. With Feminism: at the start (where it should always have been), 'debate' is superfluous and misleading

I agree. It sets it up for bunfights at the start.

Stella, there's always been a particular way of discussing a number of topics in feminist chat within just that board. It was easier to know where to go.

Feminist activism and theory weren't used much for the precise reason that so many threads could be placed under any of the titles. This feels like that again.

There's a thread about sexual harassment if women in quarantine that's in sex and gender and the poster sing sure how it got there. Now a second thread in feminism chat. (Different user)

I read 90% of FWR threads

I post on probably 20%

Just because I don’t post doesn’t mean I don’t find it interesting, it’s probably more that I don’t have anything to say about it. I didnt really think i had to acknowledge every thread…it only seems to be FWR which has this issue

And to be fair some threads get to the 1000 mark because 900 posts are arguing about basic definitions

Oh and i agree that although the tweak is good, it wouldn’t have been necessary if the boards hadn’t been split…unnecessarily

I hid feminism chat a couple of years ago because I was struggling with some anxiety and the threat to women's rights that was being discussed frequently was upsetting me (also hid AIBU and relationships). However as it is such an important issue I was checking in to Feminism chat most days as I could cope better by choosing a time to read the threads instead of them popping up in Active. In the last year or so I've gone past the anxiety phase and check in at least a couple of times a day but never got round to unhiding the topic as I mainly MN from my phone and you can no longer click into the desktop site and unhide topics. Clicking through directly to FWR had become such a habit that it wasn't a problem anyway. I rarely post - mainly because by the time I see the threads other people have put far better what I would have said. But as an invisible presence that board was very important to me. I don't like having to check two topics, I don't like the title Sex and Gender Debate. I found it perfectly possible to find threads about topics other than gender in the main chat board. Not impressed.

I won't lie, after all these years of being told 'no debate' I did feel a little bit of a thrill when I first saw the word up there. But that was before I thought properly about the trans widows and rodg support threads. Plus I don't really see the need for it on a talk forum. Does it appear anywhere else? I don't see 'Infant feeding debate' or 'AIBU debate'.

Love the ‘all view’ idea - meets everyone’s needs surely?

The op here is on a bit of a crusade and probably should just move on from Mumsnet decision my